Summary of WOIPFG's investigation of live organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in the first half of 2020

Preface

At the beginning of 2020, a major epidemic (Wuhan pneumonia) of the CCP virus (new coronavirus) broke out in mainland China. Despite causing a man-made global pandemic, the CCP has still not stopped harvesting live organs. The WOIPFG continued to conduct telephone investigations on mainland medical staff suspected of harvesting organs from live Falun Gong practitioners, and obtained a batch of new evidence and leads.

From Jan. 1, 2020, to July 16, 2020, we selected 100 recordings from hundreds of telephone interviews and published them in this report.

Organ Transplantation in Mainland China During the Epidemic

After the outbreak of the epidemic at the beginning of the year, the transplantation business at hospitals did not stop, and directors and chief surgeons listed outpatient services as usual. For example, the Affiliated Hospital of Chongqing Medical University is a designated hospital for transplanting during the pandemic time, but the doctors of the hospital said, “We were doing kidney transplants at the worst time in February.” Another example is Dr. Yan from the Liver Transplantation Department of the First Affiliated Hospital of Anhui Medical University, who said: “Regardless of whether there is an epidemic or not, liver transplantation continues!... Director Zhao Hongchuan and the other three directors do it."

Although doctors and nurses are also very afraid of becoming infected, they "will do it if there is demand!" although they are not "as busy as when there was no epidemic," revealed the head nurse of Guangxi People's Hospital.

Liver and Kidney Sources

According to investigations, during the epidemic, patient waiting times for transplantation were not significantly prolonged, despite cities and roads being locked down. In Hangzhou, Zhejiang Province, where the epidemic was once severe, not only did two hospitals we investigated not stop, but the number of transplants was considerable. Dr. Zhu from Li Huili Hospital of Ningbo Medical Center said on April 4: “We are all doing it. Yesterday we were doing it, today we are doing it, and tomorrow we will do a type B. There are 10 patients on the waiting list for type B." He also disclosed that Mr. Zheng Shusen, director of Hangzhou Shulan Hospital, said "Shulan hospital has done a lot of transplant surgeries, and it has not stopped because of the epidemic. No, Shulan hasn't stopped."

In recent years, organ transplants at two local hospitals in Xinjiang have developed rapidly, even much more than the number of disclosed transplants. A person answering the hospital’s phone always said: “The dean and director are all operating. The waiting time is also short, 1-2 weeks. This year, the transplant ward is full and there are no more complaints about the lack of donors.” The nurses of the two hospitals casually said "they are in stock" and "we have them in stock."

On April 19, during the investigation into the Department of Hepatobiliary Surgery at the People’s Hospital of Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, when the patient’s family members said they wanted to speed up the process, the nurse said: “It depends on the situation. If you are lucky, once there is something in stock, we can directly match it to you, then you can do it directly!" The investigator asked: “What do you mean in stock? Is there one ready?” The nurse replied: "Yes."

This hospital is not qualified to do liver transplantation. But this year, after a call was made, asking if there were liver transplants available, the nurse immediately replied: "We do it too!" According to an investigation made on Nov. 27, 2019, Chen Xiong, the director of Hepatobiliary Surgery at the People’s Hospital of Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, performed a liver transplantation. The nurse said to family members who wanted the liver: "The director will make arrangements for you after you come."

The liver transplant nurse at the hospital told the investigator on June 16, “Because it's very busy now, you will definitely not be able to stay if you come here.” The investigator asked if the surgery could be done in two weeks or a month later. The nurse said: "As I said, you must contact the doctor. We have it in stock [in the hospital]. If things go well, I can do it in one week or two weeks!" The nurse who answered the phone told them the surgeon’s contact info.

On March 27, 2019, Jiang Tiemin, the chief surgeon of liver transplantation at this hospital, assured investigators that it could be done in a week or two. When the investigator asked if it could be done sooner. Jiang immediately said, "Come to us first!"

Suspension of liver and kidney transplantation operations in military police hospitals

In order to escape criminal responsibility for military and police hospitals, the Central Military Commission of the Communist Party of China imposed a ban on liver and kidney transplants in military and police hospitals in 2019. But some hospitals ignored the ban by converting to civilian hospitals. For example, at the 303 military hospital in Nanning, the main transplant team led by director Sun Xuyong moved to the civilian Second Affiliated Hospital of Guangxi Medical University last year. It currently conducts 30 or 40 liver transplants a month.

Some chief military doctors went to work as surgeons at local hospitals. For example, Shao Chen, a deputy director at the Department of Urology at Xijing Hospital of the Fourth Military Medical University, became deputy dean of the newly opened Xiang'an Hospital of Xiamen Medical University. Lin Ningshu, a former kidney transplant specialist at the Fujian Armed Police Corps Hospital, became deputy chief physician of the Department of Urology at Xiang'an Hospital. Both are on the WOIPFG’s watch list. Liu Yu, former deputy director of the Institute of Liver Transplantation of the Armed Police General Hospital, is now the director of transplantation at the Department of Hepatobiliary Surgery in Chaoyang Hospital, Beijing.

Lung Transplantation of CCP Virus Patients

At the start of the outbreak, a large number of medical staff were pushed to the front line of the fight against the epidemic, and the death rate was high, causing panic among medical professionals. Dr. Chen Jingyu's lung transplantation for patients with the CCP virus was highly publicized by state media. Afterward, the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhejiang University, Beijing China-Japan Friendship Hospital, and Guangzhou Zhongshan First Affiliated Hospital started doing lung transplants. However, many lung transplant doctors publicly raised concerns. A WOIPFG investigator felt medical staff became uncomfortable when asked about lung transplants for CCP virus patients.

Wu Bo, deputy director of the Transplantation Department at Wuxi Fifth People's Hospital, personally participated in the first lung transplant on a CCP virus patient. On March 5, he said: “The entire medical process takes a long time. I don't know how many days it will take. The CCP virus lung transplantation operation is a public expense.”

Chen Jingyu's lung transplant operation was arranged by the state. Dr. Chen Hao from the Lung Transplantation Department of the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhejiang University said that this is hard to say if the procedure will help cure the virus. The lung transplant in Wuxi was done after the patient tested negative for the virus. The doctor only dealt with a lung transplant, not curing the CCP virus.

Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners

In recent years, transplant hospitals adopted a unified approach: since 2015, they claimed to no longer use organs from criminals sentenced to death and only from brain dead patients. When asked about the source of organs before 2015, the hospitals either avoided answering or gave a vague response.

On June 12, 2020, a military doctor at the People’s Liberation Army 989th Hospital in Luoyang, Henan, said to the investigator: “The main source of donors in the past was prisoners on death row. There was another source, the national organ reserve center, a state reserve.”

He stated that the source of transplanted organs at the 989th Hospital was not only local prisoners but from the national reserve. "There are also such sources from the national organ reserve center... the state has a reserve."

How does the state reserve maintain a liver and kidney bank? Does it require a living human organ bank to achieve this, and where does it store organs that are not from criminals? The Falun Gong group that former Chinese leader Jiang Zemin wants to eliminate is the most likely source of such organs in the national reserve.

Did the organ harvesting of Falun Gong practitioners really stop after 2015? In the beginning of 2020, in a follow-up investigation on Li Guowei on Jan. 11, a kidney transplant doctor at the Fourth Military Medical University Xijing Hospital, Li said: "As long as he [a Falun Gong practitioner] is in our hospital at the time, as long as you dare to watch, I can take you to his bedside to let you see in person that this person is in his twenties." On Jan. 13, the investigator asked Li, “all these years in China you have been taking organs from Falun Gong practitioners. But you can't publicly say that, you can only say that the organs are high-quality and disease-free.” Li Guowei admitted: "Yes, it's like this, you are right to say that!"

To make it easier for readers to understand this batch of survey recordings, we have summarized the key content into four themes, which are presented in chronological order as follows.  Recording translations are currently in process and will be uploaded soon.

Part 1: 77 recordings of investigations on quantity of transplants, surgery waiting time, cost of operation, etc.

Investigation Record 1:

Xiang'an Hospital, affiliated to Xiamen Medical University

Investigation time: Jan. 1, 2020
Number: (+86-592-2889666)

Executive summary:

1. From April 2020, the hospital got approval for organ transplants and had done a few cases.
2. The liver and kidney transplants are in the same department.
3. Subjects of investigation: Shao Chen (formerly Chief Physician and Professor of Urology, Xijing Hospital, Fourth Military Medical University, Deputy Director of the Department), Peng Zhihai (formerly Vice President of Shanghai First People’s Hospital, Shanghai Organ Transplant Director of the center), Lin Ningshu (former kidney transplant specialist at Fujian Armed Police Corps Hospital).

(Recording 001 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf001)

Investigation Record 2:

Director Wang Changxi, Doctor of Kidney Transplant at the First Affiliated Hospital of Sun Yat-sen University

Investigation time: Jan. 3, 2020
Phone number: (+86-2087333990)

Executive summary:

The hospital has done four to five hundred cases per year, at least one case per day.

(Download recording 002: MP3, download manuscript: pdf002)

Investigation Record 3:

Nurse at the Liver Transplant Office of the Second Hospital of Lanzhou University

Investigation time: Jan. 3, 2020

Phone number: (+86-9318943396)

Executive summary:

1. The hospital has always been able to do liver transplantation.
2. There is a waiting list because there are very few people who donate in Gansu and the amount of donation has not increased.
3. Due to limits on local donations and because the organ travel time is strictly limited, sometimes organs are requested from Zhengzhou.
4. Deputy Dean Jiao Zuoyi of the General Surgery Department is doing liver transplantation.

(Recording 003 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf003)

Investigation Record 4:

Nurse Zheng at the Liver Transplant Office of the Second Hospital of Lanzhou University
Investigation time: Jan. 13, 2020
Phone number: (+86-9318943396)

Executive summary:

1. Some livers were received, but no matching blood type was found at the hospital.
2. Organs were donated at the hospital and 8 cases were performed.
3. The current principal, Dean Li Yumin, did 3 cases. Dean Jiaozuoyi Jiao did 5 cases.
4. A potential donor was recently in the hospital’s office just now, so the price is uncertain.
5. The operation cost in Beijing is a bit more expensive and the waiting time there is shorter.
6. The cost is 400,000 (RMB) to 500,000 (RMB), which is one of the lowest in the industry.
7. Anti-rejection medicine after surgery may cost several thousand RMB every month.

(Recording 004 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf004)

Investigation Record 5:

Nurses at the Kidney Transplantation Nursing Station of Dongfeng General Hospital

Investigation time: Jan. 31, 2020

Phone number: (+86-71998272398)

Executive summary: It is a designated hospital that can do kidney transplantation. Because the road is under construction, if a match is found, some checkups cannot be done, and the checkup reagents may not arrive in time. Tomorrow, Doctor Qu will be on duty. Director Guo Xiaojun is the main surgeon.

(Recording 005 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf005)

Investigation Record 6:

Zhongquan Qi, former deputy dean of Xiamen University School of Medicine and now Dean of Guangxi University School of Medicine
Investigation time: Feb 4, 2020
Phone Number: (+86-13806001271)

Executive summary:

1. Currently Xiang'an Hospital of Xiamen University is performing transplant surgeries.
2. Mr. Qi said: “I did a kidney transplant in Sweden. Sweden is very regulated and all organs are from donors.”
3. But after September 2015, things changed and organs for transplant are no longer available from donors.

(Recording 006 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf006)

Investigation Record 7:

Head Nurse of the Organ Transplantation Department of Guangxi People's Hospital
Investigation time: Feb 7, 2020
Phone Number: (+86-18078136634)
Executive Summary:

Now we try to minimize contact with patients. We still are doing surgery, just not as many as before the epidemic.

(Recording 007 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf007)

Investigation Record 8:

Doctor of Liver Transplant Center, Peking University Third Hospital
Investigation time: Feb. 24, 2020
Phone Number: (+86-1082267320)

Executive summary:

1. The No. 1 Center in Tianjin city did the biggest number of transplants.
2. Chaoyang county hospital is doing transplants too.
3. Doctors are selective in accepting patients, only accepting after they were screened for CCP virus.
4. Liver transplantation will have to wait several months.
5. The transplant operation cost 100,000-200,000 (RMB).
6. The Red Cross is providing the liver, so the liver fee goes to their organization.
7. Interview question: I have prepared hundreds of thousands (RMB) for liver transplantation, is it enough? Does the Red Cross take both operation and liver cost?

    Doctor answer: The Red Cross will take only the liver fee, I think…

8. For more questions you can make an appointment with Director Zheng Gaozhi tomorrow afternoon.

(Recording 008 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf008)

Investigation Record 9:

Liver transplant nurse at Beijing Friendship Hospital (Xicheng District)
Investigation time: Feb. 26, 2020
Phone number: (+86-10-63138350)

Executive summary:

1. The entire liver transplantation department was moved to Tongzhou city, no longer in Xicheng.
2. It was moved in September 2019, though the outpatient clinic is still at Beijing Friendship Hospital.
3. Dr. Zhu Zhijun is the director of liver transplantation.

(Recording 009 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf009)

Investigation Record 10:

Liver transplant nurse and doctor in Tongzhou District of Beijing Friendship Hospital
Investigation time: Feb. 26, 2020
Phone Number: (+86-10-8834411)

Executive summary:

There are nineteen transplant cases in Tongzhou District of Beijing Friendship Hospital. There is a fever clinic which screens the transplant patients first, only the qualified ones are accepted to do transplant surgery. Director Zhu Zhijun is on duty for transplant every Wednesday morning.

(Recording 010 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf010)

Investigation Record 11:

Kidney transplant nurse in Zhongshan Hospital of Fudan University
Investigation time: April 2, 2020
Phone Number: (+86-21-64041990)
Executive summary:

This hospital has a kidney transplant clinic every Wednesday and Friday afternoon.

(Recording 024 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf024)

Investigation Record 12

Nurse at the liver surgery department in Zhongshan Hospital of Fudan University
Investigation time: April 2, 2020
Phone Number: (+86 21-64041990)

Executive summary:

1. There are many liver surgery wards performing liver transplantation.
2. Dr. Jia Fan is the dean who also does the liver transplantation.
3. Their liver surgery department is not affected by the epidemic and the transplant clinic is active.
4.  All doctors are doing surgeries at the time of phone interviews.

(Recording 025 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf025)

Investigation Record 13:

Dr. Jinyang Gu, Director of Liver Transplantation in Xinhua Hospital at Shanghai Transportation University
Investigation time: April 3, 2020
Phone Number: (+86-21-25078999)
Executive summary:

1. They can do type B transplant immediately.
2. Director Gu’s mobile phone number is (01186)15000596988 for any questions related to transplantation.
3. Patients need to prepare seven to eight hundred thousand RMB for the surgery.
4. There have been lots of liver sources recently.
5. The liver transplant can be done within a month.

(Recording 026 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf026)

Investigation Record 14:

Dr. Zhu in Liver Transplantation at Li Huili Hospital of Ningbo Medical Center
Investigation time: April 4, 2020
Phone Number: (+86-57455836149)

Executive summary:

1. We have been very busy doing the transplants, we did one yesterday and one today, and there will be a B-type transplant tomorrow.
2. As long as the liver is matched with a blood type, it can be done across blood types, and it can also be done if the blood type is not matched.
3. Shulan hospital has done a lot transplants, it has not stopped because of the epidemic.
4. They won’t accept organs from donors with COVID-19, as the virus not only attacks the lungs, but also affects other organs and blood.
5. Dr. Zhu said that he did a transplant yesterday and is doing one today, and will do a type B tomorrow. Type B is the most popular one and is on the waiting list, they did at least 10 type B cases.

(Recording 027 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf027)

Investigation Record 15:

Ms. Ge, counselor of Shulan (Hangzhou) Hospital
Investigation time: April 6, 2020
Phone number: (+86-13777816727)

Executive summary:

1. The quick lead time for a transplant is seven to ten days, a one to two month wait is also possible.
2. Compared with other hospitals, Shulan hospital is the most efficient in organ type matching.|
3. The doctor can’t talk about the source of the liver until the patient is admitted to the hospital and completes the matching procedures. Then doctors can tell the patients and family members in-depth details.
4. If there are no complications, the cost covers surgery, hospitalization, and liver source.
5. Dean Zheng does the liver transplantation himself.
6. If the donor was infected with the CCP virus, they can not use his/her organs because the virus gets all over the body, even in saliva.

(Recording 028 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf028)

Investigation Record 16:

Nurse Station of the Organ Transplant Institute of Wuhan Tongji Hospital

Investigation time: April 7, 2020

Phone number: (+86-2783665223)

Executive summary: Patients have to pay the cost of nucleic acid screening in the outpatient clinic prior to transplant. The admission takes 7 days and all fees are covered by patients. Professor Wei is in charge of transplant surgeries.

(Recording 029 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf029)

Investigation Record 17:

Doctor of the Liver Transplant department of the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhengzhou University

Investigation time: April 9, 2020

Phone number: (+86-37167967127)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital is a designated transplant hospital.

2. Transplant appointments are made every Thursday morning with director Wenzhi Guo.

3. The waiting time is estimated to be around two weeks.

4. It costs around 300 RMB for a nucleic acid test in the hospital.

5. Dr. Shuijun Zhang is retired, but he is still active and you can contact him.

(Recording 030 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf030)

Investigation Record 18:

Nurse in the Urology Ward of Harbin Medical University Second Hospital

Investigation time: April 10, 2020
Phone number: (+86-45186605335)

Executive Summary:

We can admit transplant patients, however our blood bank now is low, as there is no blood prepared for such major operations.

(Recording 031 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf031)

Investigation Record 19:

Nurses in the Kidney Transplant Department of Guangdong Second People's Hospital

Investigation time: April 10, 2020

Phone number: (+86-2089168095)

Executive summary:

1. This is a designated hospital, it tests all patients for the CCP virus ahead of any surgery.

2. Director Meng Shan Dongmeng is available for transplant consultation on Monday, Dr. Deng Gengguo on Wednesday. The Director of this department is Mr. Dong Liu.

3. This hospital just did a transplant surgery a few days ago. It costs about 500,000 RMB for a kidney transplant.

(Recording 032 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf032)

Investigation Record 20:

Liver transplantation Dr. Yan in the Hepatobiliary Ward of the First Affiliated Hospital of Anhui Medical University

Investigation time: April 11, 2020

Phone number: (+86-55162922816)

Executive summary:

1. Regardless of the epidemic, as long as there is a demand for transplant, the hepatobiliary department will operate.

2. Liver transplantation operations were never stopped, there are several cases every month.

3. Liver transplant surgery is mainly done by Director Zhao,  appointments go to him.

4. There are three main doctors for transplant surgery: Director Hongchuan Zhao, Director Fan Huang, and Director Guobin Wang.

(Recording 033 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf033)

Investigation record 21:

Nurse in the Hepatobiliary Ward of the First Hospital of Shanxi Medical University

Investigation time: April 11, 2020

Phone number: (+86-351-4639507)

Executive summary:

1. It is a designated hospital and operations are in process.

2. Chief doctors are Dean Yun Xu and Director Zhigang Wei.

3. Liver transplant surgeries are operated by the above two doctors.

(Recording 034 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf034)

Investigation Record 22:

Nurse Li in kidney transplant department of Second Affiliated Hospital of Hainan Medical College

Investigation time: April 11, 2020

Phone number: (+86-89866809311)

Executive summary:

1. It used to be a designated hospital.

2. For consultation, Director Jiang is on duty on Monday and Director Wang is on duty Wednesday.

3. The outpatient service for the CCP virus is at your own expense. CT scan is around a few hundred RMB.

4. During the epidemic, there are fewer patient transplants, but operations continue. Whenever there is an organ donor, there will be surgery.

5. Last year we had around one to two hundred organ transplant operations.

(Recording 035 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf035)

Investigation Record 23:

Dr. Chen Shiyong from Liver Office in Guiyang Medical Affiliated Hospital

Investigation time: April 13, 2020

Phone number: (+86-85186774319)

Executive summary:

1. This is a CCP virus designated hospital.

2. The screen and test fee is around a few hundred RMB. Total cost of all check ups is 1,800 yuan RMB.

3. Dr. Chen is the one responsible for all preparations for the liver transplant.

4. The liver transplant surgeon is Dean Shi Zuo, who is in charge of the liver and lungs operations.

5. There was one organ transplant surgery made yesterday, and there will be another one tomorrow.

6. Dr. Chen’s WeChat no. is 18786026607.

7. The liver donor is first evaluated by the OPO (the organ coordination organization), the Red Cross and other hospitals also have organs.

8. The surgery cost is divided into three parts: The first is the organ cost 250,000 to 300,000 yuan RMB. You can't be reimbursed as no invoice is available, the second is a hospitalization fee of about 120,000 to 150,000 RMB, the third is the cost of taking medicine long-term after you check out of the hospital, in the range of more than 2-3,000 RMB per month.

(Recording 036 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf036)

Investigation Record 24:

Nurse of Hepatobiliary Department, Kunming First People's Hospital

Investigation time: April 14, 2020

Phone number: (+86-87168261904)

Executive summary:

1. This is a designated hospital.

2. There are many doctors who perform transplant operations. On Monday, Director Gang Chen is on duty.

3. We have good sources for livers, we can do as many surgeries as we can.

(Recording 037 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf037)

Investigation report 25:

The main line operator of Beijing Friendship Hospital

Investigation time: April 15, 2020

Phone number: (+86-10-63138350)

Executive summary

1. Although it is not a designated hospital, there is a fever clinic for screening the CCP virus.

2. During the epidemic, the outpatient service continued. The telephone number for liver transplantation in Tongzhou District is 8083 4411.

3. All patients need to be isolated for 14 days in observation of the CCP virus before seeing the doctor.

(Recording 038 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf038)

Investigation Record 26:

Mr. Huinian Zhou, Director of the Department of Liver Transplantation, Second Hospital of Lanzhou University

Investigation time: April 16, 2020

Phone number: (+86-931-8943707)

Executive summary

1. It is a designated hospital.

2. They did a liver transplant operation a few days ago.

3. Dr. Huinian Zhou is the main surgeon, his outpatient number is: 177 9767 7783.

4. The cost of surgery and hospitalization is about 200,000 RMB, and other costs are around 200,000 to 400,000 RMB.

(Recording 039 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf039)

Investigation Record 27:

Nurse at the Liver Transplantation Nurses Station of the Second Hospital of Lanzhou University

Investigation time: April 16, 2020

Phone number: (+86-931-8943707)

Executive summary:

1. After the epidemic ended (in June), two consecutive surgeries were done in this hospital. One patient  is currently living in the hospital.

2. The transplant team includes several departments, one department is in charge of collecting new patients, and one department mainly does the operation.

3. For liver transplantation, they will take priority to offer the best organ resource and best service. 

(Recording 040 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf040)

Investigation Record 28:

Dr. Chiyi Chen, Liver Transplant office in Tianjin Organ Transplant Center

Investigation time: April 16, 2020

Phone number: (+86-2223626858)

Executive summary:

1. They have been continually doing surgeries.

2. The hospital will conduct a nucleic acid test for patients from CCP virus low-risk areas, if the result is negative, patients can be admitted to the hospital.

3. The number of organ transplants is less than what it was before the pandemic. Last year, more than 790 cases of liver transplants were done in this hospital.

4. Dr. Chen’s registered hospital number is 132 1216 2978.

5. Dr. Chiyi Chen is the resident doctor, The director of the department is Dr. Jiang.

(Recording 041 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf041)

Investigation Record 29:

Nurse in Kidney Transplant Department of Urology, Dalian Friendship Hospital

Investigation time: April 19, 2020

Phone number:  (+86-411-82718822-3308)

Executive summary

1. The doctors in kidney transplantation are all seasoned experienced doctors. They are in director level in outpatient clinics.

2. When the interviewer asked a question like “Can you do hundreds of operations in a year here?

The nurse answered “now we can't do so much, as we do not have enough kidney sources.”

3.This hospital did transplants for more than 10 years.

4. The hospital is back to normal in organ transplant operations after the pandemic.

5. No. 3 urology clinics are for transplant requests; they are all senior doctors who take turns working in the clinic. They are very knowledgeable in this matter.

6. The hospital has enough beds for transplant patients.

(Recording 042 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf042)

Investigation Record 30:

Nurse of Hepatobiliary Department, People's Hospital of Xinjiang Autonomous Region

Investigation time: April 19, 2020

Phone number: (+86-9918563278)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital does liver transplantation in the Department of Hepatobiliary Surgery. The operation is performed by the director level of doctors.

2. The operation waiting time depends on the situation. If there are organs in the bank, the surgery can be quickly done if there is a direct match.

3.The library bank the nurse refers to is ready-made.

(Recording 043 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf043)

Investigation Record 31:

Nurse in the Hepatobiliary Ward of the Affiliated Hospital of Ningxia Medical College

Investigation time: April 19, 2020

Telephone Number: (+86-9516743245)

Executive summary:

1. It is a designated hospital.

2. Ningxia officials declared zero CCP virus cases. There is no guarantee that hospitals are safe, since some cities have a high number of cases.

3. This hospital is conducting organ transplants as normal. Director Songning Yu is in charge of liver transplantation, he is the chief surgeon.

(Recording 044 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf044)

Investigation Record 32:

Nurse of Gastroenterology Department, West China Hospital in Sichuan Province

Investigation time: April 20, 2020

Phone number:  (+86-2885422386)

Executive summary:

1. It is a designated hospital for the CCP virus, patients with fever are in isolation wards.

2. The hospital is open 24 hours and people can register online.

3. Dr. Tianfu Wen and Dr. Jiayin Yang are the chief surgeons for liver transplantation.

(Recording 045 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf045)

Investigation Record 33:

Nurse of Kidney Transplantation Department, Affiliated Hospital of Chongqing Medical University

Investigation time: April 20, 2020

Phone number: (+86-2389012957)

Executive summary:

1. It is a designated hospital for the CCP virus.

2. The hospital was doing kidney transplants at the worst pandemic time in February.

3. Dr. Simin Chen has been doing kidney transplantation the whole time and is responsible for this aspect.

(Recording 046 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf046)

Investigation Record 34:

Dr. Li, liver transplantation at the First Affiliated Hospital of China Medical University in Shenyang city

Investigation time: April 21, 2020

Phone number: (+86-24-83282452)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital is partnering with a transplant Center in Tianjin which will dispatch senior medical professors over.

The surgeons are: Director Yi, dean of this hospital, together with dispatched doctors: Director Wentao Jiang, Director Jia Ni, and Director Wei Gao.

2. This hospital did 9 transplant cases in January, afterward it started cooperating with a transplant center in Tianjin in September.

3. This hospital started liver transplantation operations in 1995, with a few hundred cases per year. Later the numbers decreased for a variety of reasons. After cooperating with a center in Tianjin, the operating efficiency has improved.

(Recording 047 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf047)

Investigation Record 35:

Dr. Mao from the Liver Transplant Office of the First Affiliated Hospital of China Medical University

Investigation time: April 21, 2020

Phone Number: (+86-024-83282651)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital is still performing organ transplant during the  epidemic time.

2. Dean Yongfeng Liu is in charge, together with several doctors.

The transplant department director is Dr. Dehui Yi. He can be the main contact if anyone needs a consultation.

3. The interviewer asked: Can the transplant surgery be done in one week?

Answer: That's a bit pushy, however, you can consult our Director Yi to see the possibility.

(Recording 048 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf048)

Investigation Record 36:

Dr. Chen, Liver Transplant in Jilin University First Hospital

Investigation time: April 21, 2020

Phone number: (+86-431-81875162)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital is a designated hospital. It did not stop transplant operation during pandemic time. There were more than ten liver transplant cases performed here.

2. The waiting time is 2-3 months for liver transplantation.

3. Dr. Chen is located on the 12th floor of Building 3 in this hospital.

4. Dr. Chen is the doctor for transplant consultation.

5. Patients need to bring 100,000 RMB as a deposit for surgery. 

(Recording 049 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf049)

Investigation Record 37:

Dr. Shuai Zhao, Liver Transplantation Department in Xinhua Hospital of Shanghai Transportation University

Investigation time: April 23, 2020

Phone number: (+86-13482257875)

Executive summary:

1. The average waiting time for Blood Type B transplant operation in this hospital is two weeks.

2. There was a case that a liver transplant patient came to the hospital and got a fresh Type B liver the next day.

3. There is a permanent Director - Dr. Yang in the Organ Transplant department, Dr. Zhao is an assistant doctor under him.

4. Each organ transplant center across the country does about 100 cases every year.

5. This hospital does about 50 - 60 transplant cases a year.

(Recording 050 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf050)

Investigation Record 38:

Nurse in the Liver Transplant Ward of People's Hospital

in Sichuan Province

Investigation time: April 23, 2020

Phone number: (+86-2887393707)

Executive summary:

1. During pandemic time, there were additional requests for nucleic acid tests and CT scans.

2. Director Yang does liver transplantation, Doctor Yifu Hou does both liver and kidney transplantation.

3. Dr. Hou did transplant surgeries yesterday and the day before yesterday.

4. There is a designated person responsible for sourcing organs.

5. No one will answer questions about the organ donors.

6. The quality of the current donors cannot be guaranteed. There are good and bad ones.

7. The organ cost in this hospital is 150,000 RMB, there was no official invoice for organ costs.

(Recording 051 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf051)

Investigation Record 39:

Dr. Zhao Xin, liver transplantation in the Third Hospital of Hebei Medical University

Investigation time: April 23, 2020

Phone Number: (+86-31188603029)

Executive summary:

1. This is a designated hospital during the epidemic.

2. This hospital has been continuing transplant operations.

3. This hospital is the only designated liver transplantation in Hebei Province.

4. The base cost of transplant is about 600,000 RMB.

5. This hospital has a special division for organ sourcing and someone is responsible for it.

6. In April 2020, there were transplant cases daily.

(Recording 052 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf052)

Investigation Record 40:

Dr. Lizhong Han, a urologist at Baogang Hospital of Inner Mongolia

Investigation time: April 24, 2020

Phone Number: (+86-4725992751)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital did not stop transplant surgeries during the epidemic.

2. Dr. Han is on consultation duty every Tuesday morning and Thursday afternoon.

3. Dr. Han claimed that he won’t give any information over the phone due to fear of recording.

4. Dr. Han refused to answer the actual figures on operating costs.

(Recording 053 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf053)

Investigation Record 41:

Nurses at the Kidney Transplant Nurse Station of the Second People's Hospital of Shanxi Province

Investigation time: April 24, 2020

Phone Number: (+86-14797169153)

Executive summary:

1. The nurses claimed there were quite a few donors recently.

2. Dr. Zhixiang Jia did hundreds of transplant cases last year.

(Recording 054 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf054)

Investigation record 42:

Dr. Xiuju Wei, director of the Kidney Transplant Department of the Third People's Hospital of Datong City

Investigation time: April 27, 2020

Phone number: (+86-352-5556292)

Executive summary:

1. Dr. Wei claims that the waiting time for organs runs sometimes 2-3 weeks, sometimes 2-3 months.

2. Some patients came with their own organ sources.

3. The kidney source in this hospital is the best, as they use the organs directly from fresh sources in the surgery.

(Recording 056 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf056)

Investigation record 43:

Department of Liver Transplantation, People's Hospital of

Qinghai Province

 Investigation time: April 27, 2020

Phone number: (+86-9718068853)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital temporarily stopped the liver transplantation due to the Provincial Department of Health re-evaluating the hospital's OPO (Organ Procurement Organizations)

2. The organ donation coordinators have no effective government document to support their work.

(Recording 057 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf057)

Investigation Record 44:

Dr. Defang Wu, Affiliated Hospital of Qinghai University

Investigation time: April 27, 2020

Phone number: (+86-13734601766)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital is focused on organ donation surgeries. Dr. Wu claimed that they do not do transplants.

2. Director Haining Fang is doing surgery now. The type of surgery was not clearly stated.

3. Dr. Wu claimed that his hospital dealt with organ donations from patients with sudden deaths. Organs are donated if family members agree.

4. The donated organs go to a national organ donation bank, which is distributed by a network of data controlled by the government. No one truly knows who the organ donors are and who they distribute to. 

5. Dr. Wu did not do any transplant surgeries; they did not do any liver transplantation there.

6. Dr. Wu said he heard that a single liver costs 300,000-400,000 RMB, and the whole surgery cost is estimated at about 700,00-800,000 RMB.

7. Dr. Qian Lu from Tsinghua Chang Gung Memorial Hospital and Dr. Wentao Wang from Western China hospital had contacted them for organs.

(Recording 059 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf059)

Investigation Record 45:

Dr. Jingwang Tan, director of liver transplantation at Beijing 304 Hospital

Investigation time: April 28, 2020

Phone number: (+86-13716801336)

Executive Summary:

Dr. Tan said discretely that the organ transplant industry is very corrupt, and that it is better not to do transplant surgery.

(Recording 060 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf060)

Investigation Record 46:

Nurse in the Hepatobiliary Surgery Ward of the Second Affiliated Hospital of Zhejiang University School of Medicine

Investigation time: April 30, 2020

Phone number: (+86-057187783777)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital is located in Ningbo. They do not require quarantine time for patients, but will perform a screen test for the CCP virus.

2.  Dr. Weilin Wang is the vice president and Dr. Yanjun Shi is the director of transplant. They work together.

3. During the epidemic time,the transplant surgeries did not stop.

(Recording 061 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf061)

Investigation Record 47:

Liver transplant doctor from Li Huili Hospital, Ningbo City

Investigation time: May 10, 2020

Phone number: (+86-574-55836149)

Executive summary:

1. Director Caide Lu has an outpatient clinic on Wednesday.

2. The organ wait time may take 2-3 months or less, but it may take longer depending on luck.

3. During the epidemic, this hospital did not stop transplant operations.

(Recording 062 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf062)

Investigation record 48:

Hepatobiliary surgeon from the Second Affiliated Hospital of Zhejiang University School of Medicine

Investigation time: May 1, 2020

Phone number: (+86-57187783777)

Executive summary:

1. It is not a designated hospital, every patient and family member needs to take a nucleic acid test, only the negative ones are allowed to check in at the hospital.

2. The liver transplantation is not on the 18th floor in this hospital. Some locations were spread on both sides of the Binjiang campus on Jiefang Road.

3. The liver transplantation are expert doctors, they have their own expert clinic numbers.

4. Dr. Xiaohu Jin is one of the doctors in charge.

5. The transplants did not stop during the epidemic.

(Recording 063 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf063)

Investigation Record 49:

Department of Liver Transplantation in People's Hospital

of Henan Province

Investigation time: May 2, 2020

Phone number: (+86-37187160405)

Executive summary:

1. Transplant patients have to first be tested for the CCP virus.

2. Director Guoyong Chen is in charge of liver transplantation. He is the chief surgeon.

(Recording 064 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf064)

Investigation record 50:

No. 4 Kidney Ward of the First Affiliated Hospital of Anhui University

Investigation time: May 2, 2020

Phone number: (+86-055162922103)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital is continuing the transplant surgeries during the epidemic.

2.  Director Guiyi's Liao is on duty at the outpatient clinic on Tuesday morning. He is on the 3rd floor.

3. There were two transplant surgeries last week.

(Recording 065 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf065)

Investigation report 51:

Dr. Wang, Department of Urology of Yinzhou Second Hospital, Ningbo City

Investigation time: May 4, 2020

Phone number: (+86-574-55662381)

Executive summary:

1. Kidney transplantation is ongoing in this hospital.

2. Director Xiping Yao has retired and is no longer involved.

3. The new dean is Dr. Guobin Weng. You can make an appointment with him.

4. There is a dedicated transplant clinic, available every morning.

5. They do 100 transplant cases every year.

(Recording 066 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf066)

Investigation record 52:

Doctor of Liver Transplant department of the First Affiliated Hospital of Anhui Medical University

Investigation time: May 5th, 2020

Phone number: (+86-55162922816)

Executive summary:

1. The doctor said he did a few cases a while ago.

2. There are large failure numbers for transplants.

3. The interviewer asked if he can spend more money to wait for judicial organs. The doctor said he is not sure about this.

4. The interviewer asked if they can find a liver source from prison.

The doctor replied that he prefers patients come in person. He won’t release more info over the phone.

(Recording 067 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf067)

Investigation Record 53:

Dr. Liu from the Liver Transplant Department of People's Hospital

in Jiangxi Province.

Investigation time: May 7, 2020

Phone number: (+86-791-86895527)

Executive summary:

1. Director Zhidan Xu is the surgeon for liver transplantation.

2. This hospital has been doing liver transplantation since 2002.

3. Last year, 60 cases of liver transplant were conducted here.

4. Jiangxi First Affiliated Hospital and Second Affiliated Hospital also do liver transplants.

5. Dr. Liu says he specializes in taking care of organ sourcing.

(Recording 068 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf068)

Investigation Record 54:

Nurse in the Liver Transplant Office of the First Affiliated Hospital of Nanchang University

Investigation time: May 8, 2020

Phone number: (+86-791-88695112)

Executive summary:

1. They started doing liver transplantations in 2003.

2. There are several chief transplant surgeons.

3. Dr. Yehong Yan is the director and dean. He has done liver transplantation for many years.

(Recording 069 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf069)

Investigation Record 55:

Nurses from Yueyang City People's Hospital in Hunan province

Investigation time: May 9, 2020

Phone number: (+86-7308750570)

Executive summary:

1.This hospital operates on kidney transplantation with multiple tests required ahead of the surgery.

2. Director Shibo Peng is in charge of transplant, his cell phone is 011-86-13975025005.

3. Patients can have a clinical session with Dr. Jiantao Yan on Monday, or call Director Peng with his cell phone no. above.

(Recording 070 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf070)

Investigation Record 56:

Nurses of Hunan Yiyang Central Hospital

Investigation time: May 13, 2020

Phone number: (+86-7374230527)

Executive summary:

1. Patients have to go through checkups for the CCP virus.

2. This hospital does over 100 cases a year.

3. The liver transplant surgery can be done as quickly as a day. Check the patient's blood type in the morning, make a blood match with the organ donor, and do the surgery at night.

(Recording 071 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf071)

Investigation Record 57:

Doctor of Kidney Transplant Intensive Care Unit in Third Xiangya Hospital of Central South University

Investigation time: May 14, 2020

Phone number: (+86-731-88618351)

Executive summary:

1. (+86-731-88618351) is the phone number for the Patient Intensive Care department.

2. Dr. Zhang’s cell phone is 15116256469, he is the chief surgeon in the kidney transplant department.

3. Last year this hospital did more than160 transplant cases.

4. Director Qifa Yi is no longer there. The new director is Professor Yingzi Ming.

(Recording 072 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf072)

Investigation Record 58:

Director Zusan Xu in the department of Urology of the First People's Hospital of Chenzhou City in Hunan Province.

Investigation time: May 15, 2020

Phone number: (+86-735-2343050)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital does 60-70 transplant cases per year.

2. Waiting time is 1-2 months, sometimes 2-3 months.

3. Dr. Zusan Xu is in charge of the transplant.

4. Dr. Xu’s clinic for transplant is open every Monday and Thursday.

5. The cost of operation is about 300,000 to 350,000 RMB.

(Recording 073 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf073)

Investigation Record 59:

Nurse in the liver transplantation ward of the Third Affiliated Hospital of Sun Yat-sen University

Investigation time: May 19, 2020

Phone number: (+86-20-82179633)

Executive summary:

1. Director Shuhong Yi is the chief surgeon of the transplant.

2. Their liver transplantation department was rated No. 3 in China last year.

3. Hundreds of transplant cases were done last year

(Recording 074 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf074)

Investigation Record 60:

Professor Wang in Liver Transplantation department of Nanfang Hospital in Southern Medical University

Investigation time: May 20, 2020

Phone number: (+86-20-61641705)

Executive summary:

1. Dr. Wang’s liver transplant clinic is every Friday morning.

2. The waiting time for liver transplant is possible in a few months.

3. Dr. Wang prefers to discuss the waiting time and organ source questions in person during clinic time.

4. The cost of surgery is around 800,000 RMB.

(Recording 075 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf075)

Investigation Record 61:

Dr. Xianen Huang, a urological transplant doctor at the Third Affiliated Hospital of Guangzhou Medical University

Investigation time: May 21, 2020

Phone number: (+86-2081292163)

Executive summary:

1. Dr. Huang’s clinic is open on Mondays.

2. Dr. Huang’s full name is Xianen Huang, his mobile phone is 13503006786.

3. The cost of transplant is about 400,000 RMB. If there is a complication during the surgery, then it will be more.

4. Dr. Huang confirmed the cost of the surgery cannot go through a medical care procedure and can not be reimbursed. It is an under the table transition.

5. The hospitalization and medicine prescription can be invoiced for up to 100,000 RMB.

6. The interviewer specifically raised a question about if the hospital can provide Falun Gong practitioners’ organs? Dr. Huang thinks nowadays it is more difficult.

(Recording 076 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf076)

Investigation Record 62:

Dr. Chen from Kidney Transplant Office in Zhongshan People's Hospital in Guangdong province

Investigation time: May 21, 2020

Phone number: (+86-0760-89880586)

Executive summary:

1. There were transplant patients coming over every week.

2. There were surgeries done every month.

3.  This hospital does about 100 transplant cases per year.

4.  Dr. Zhijian Li is retired, he was the former director of Urology.

5. The chief surgeon for kidney transplantation is Director Deng.

6. There are four doctors in the transplant department: Doctor Hou,  Doctor Chen, Doctor Gong, and Doctor Jiang.

(Recording 077 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf077)

Investigation Record 63:

Doctor Jiexue Zhou from the Kidney Transplant department of Guangdong Second People's Hospital

Investigation time: May 22, 2020

Phone number: (+86-20-89169358)

Executive summary:

1. This week there were seven transplant surgeries done in this hospital.

2. There were hundreds of transplant cases per year.

3. Director Dong Liu is still the chief in charge of transplants.

4. There were several doctors in the transplant department.

5. There were vague answers about if the waiting time can be shortened with more money paid upfront.

(Recording 078 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf078)

Investigation Record 64:

Dr. Feixiong Pang the Deputy Chief Doctor in Transplantation Department of People's Hospital of Guangxi Zhuang Minority Region

Investigation time: May 27, 2020

Phone number: (+86-771-2186710)

Executive summary:

1. Dr. Pang said the waiting time for liver transplants is very short.

2. If the patient is blood type B, the transplant surgery can be done in less than a month.

3. There were a few liver transplant cases this month. This hospital has several liver donors every month.

4. Dr. Pang’s mobile number is 13617712073, it is also the number for his WeChat ID, he can answer questions through Wechat.

5. Dr. Pang is on the transplant doctors’ name list on the hospital’s official website.

(Recording 081 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf081)

Investigation Record 65:

Nurses at the Liver Transplantation Nurses Station of Shandong Provincial Hospital

Investigation time: June 3, 2020

Phone number: (+86-531-68779010)

Executive summary:

1. Nurses said that their liver transplant department is very busy with many patients.

2. Director Jun Liu’s clinic is open every Monday, the rest of the time he is busy with his transplant surgeries.

(Recording 085 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf085)

Investigation Record 66:

Doctor in Liver Transplant department of Qinghai Provincial People's Hospital

Investigation time: June 7, 2020

Phone number: (+86-9718068852)

Executive summary:

1. After a liver transplant patient arrives at hospital, they will make an appointment for the liver source.

2. Director Chengjie Ye was appointed by the Qinghai Provincial Department of Health. He is the chief surgeon for consultation of organ transplant matters.

3. Dr. Ye’s cell phone is 13709742107.

4. The liver organ sources are transferred from places outside of the hospital, and then an expert medical team from Huaxi hospital comes to do the surgery.

6. There are no organ sources from the judicial system now. It has been 15 years since the last organs from death-sentence criminals were used.

(Recording 086 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf086)

Investigation Record 67:

Dr. Shixuan Luo, deputy chief physician of the Liver Transplant Center of the First Affiliated Hospital of Chongqing Medical University

Investigation time: June 8, 2020

Phone number: (+86 15002355050)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital’s organ sources are allocated by the region DCD(development of donation after citizen death) most of the time, but occasionally they come from other places in the country.

2. The DCD has been implemented since 2015.

3. Now, all organ sources have to be distributed through the Red Cross. The Red Cross will coordinate any organ donations from ICU patients. There is a registered organ network at the Red Cross, you can register on the waiting list. If you can acquire a liver then you can come to the hospital for surgery.

4. The interviewer asked a question: If I can locate a prisoner donor, can you help to do the surgery?

The answer was: “it is illegal.”

5. This hospital has a register and a coordinator for liver transplantation. Patients can go to the outpatient clinic on Friday with Doctor Shi.

(Recording 087 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf087)

Investigation Record 68:

Nurse of Urology Department in the People's Hospital of Xinjiang Autonomous Region

Investigation time: June 13, 2020

Phone number: (+86-991-8563593) 

Executive summary:

1. The department of urology specializes in transplants.

The phone number is 86-9918562516

2. They now have a special doctor in charge of this department.

3. Director Yangang Wang is the chief doctor in charge.

(Recording 089 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf089)

Investigation Record 69:

Operator of Beijing 301 Hospital

Investigation time: June 16, 2020

Phone number: (+86-1083997177)

Executive summary:

1. The operator said that during pandemic time the transplant clinic is open normally.

2. The operator refused to transfer calls to the liver transplant department because the caller ID showed it is an international call.

(Recording 090 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf090)

Investigation Record 70:

Nurses in the Liver Transplantation Nurses Station of the First Affiliated Hospital of Xinjiang Medical University

Investigation time: June 16, 2020

Phone number: (+86-9914362820)

Executive summary:

1. Dr. He’s mobile phone is 1590 0900 9124.

2. Dr. He is the person who is in charge of surgery-related issues, including hospitalization.

3. A nurse said that it is a very busy time and she cannot commit patients to the hospital if they want to check in now.

4. Kidney organ source questions can be discussed with Dr. He. The nurse answered that the organs become available in 1-2 weeks.

(Recording 091 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf091)

Investigation Record 71:

Dr. Chengjie Ye from Qinghai Provincial People's Hospital

Investigation time: June 18, 2020

Phone number: (+86-13709742107)

Executive summary:

1. Dr. Ye said the waiting time is hard to say, it is better to discuss in person.

2. Dr. Ye said the livers are available in an ICU here. They can be sourced also from Sichuan and Nanjing provinces.

3. The liver organ cost about 500,000 RMB. The liver organs came from Beijing city at a market price of 800,000 to 1 million RMB.

(Recording 092 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf092)

Investigation Record 72:

Doctor of Kidney Transplant department in Tianjin First Center

Investigation time: June 29, 2020

Phone number: (+86-2223626856)

Executive summary:

1. Due to the epidemic, the hospital does not have too many donors, and the waiting time is uncertain.

2. The average waiting time before the epidemic for kidney transplants was about 6-7 months.

3. If the surgery goes smoothly, the transplant cost is 500,000 RMB.

4. This hospital had done a lot of kidney transplants before, but now there is a shortage of donors.

5. The interviewers asked if each year there were 100 cases of transplants before pandemic time?

The doctor answered that yes, there were 3-400 cases last year.

6. If you visit the director's clinic, the doctors on duty are all chief surgeons.

7. There are more than 30 beds in this hospital for transplant patients.

(Recording 093 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf093)

Investigation Record 73:

Urology surgeon and doctor in the Affiliated Hospital of Qinghai University

Investigation time: July 1, 2020

Phone number: (+86-9716230853)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital does the kidney transplantation; the kidney source is allocated by the state of Qinghai province.

2. So far till today, there was only one volunteer donor for a living kidney donation.

3. The reason for the shortage not only involves the patient but also the family. They all have to be on the same page to agree with the donation.

4. Qinghai province has a small population and a minority nation population here. The organ donor mechanism here is small.

5. The people and culture here is conservative, therefore the kidney donation source is very low.

6. Long time ago, they had a kidney donation patient, two kidneys were donated to one person from Guangdong, and one to a local patient.

7. Sometimes the organs are taken to Guangzhou for transplant. It depends on the specific situation and the time.

8. Many previous kidneys were obtained from prisoners.

9. The coordinator of organ transplants is called Ning Li.

10. Director Guojun Chen can answer more specific questions about organ resource and transplant.

(Recording 094 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf094)

Investigation Record 74:

Medical doctor of the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhejiang University

Investigation time: July 1, 2020

Phone number: (+86-571-87236625)

Executive summary:

1. The hepatobiliary and pancreatic surgery department in this hospital has more doctors other than Dr. Shusen Zheng.

2. The interviewer asked where the liver source is from. The hospital gave the same all hospitals were told to give across the country.

3. The Department of Hepatobiliary and Pancreatic Surgery in this hospital is indeed the best in Zhejiang Province.

4. There is a dedicated liver transplant ward in this hospital.

5. The interviewer asked if patients can visit the hospital’s website to see the availability of liver transplants. The answer was no one can see unless a special authorized person allows it.

6. The interviewer asked if he can obtain a Falun Gong practitioner’s organ from Doctor Zheng?

The answer was: not sure, you can ask the organ sources when you go to Dr. Zheng’s clinic.

(Recording 095 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf095)

Investigation Record 75:

Liver transplantation from Wuhan University Transplant Medicine Center

Investigation time: July 8, 2020

Phone number: (+86-2767812785)

Executive summary:

1. The person who answered the phone said that they were no longer allowed to reveal doctors’ and professors’ phone number over the phone.

2. Director Ye's clinic is open on Wednesday.

3. Both Professor Qifa Ye and Director Shaojun Ye are both doing liver transplantation.

4. The interviewer asked a question about an Internet post talking about 7 operations being performed in two days. How long was the waiting time?

The answer was: you can ask those questions to Director Ye and Professor Ye.

5. The most recent transplant surgery waiting time was 2 weeks.

6. After the transplant operation, the patient must stay in the intensive care unit for a period of time, after the condition improves, then they can transfer to the general ward.

7. This hospital requires nucleic acid tests for the CCP virus before hospital admission. Tongji hospital and Xiehe hospital have the same requirement.

8. This hospital requests that the caregiver is not allowed to go out unless there are special circumstances. The caregiver must be checked for the CCP virus.

9. After March, the hospital performed more transplant surgeries.

10. Liver transplantation cost about 800,000 to 1 million RMB.

11. There are 80 beds in a ward and 2 wards in this hospital.

12. The organ harvesting and organ transplant surgeries are performed simultaneously in this hospital.

13. There are many groups in each team and many teams are divided.

14. There is another Director Yanfeng Wang doing transplants.

15. Director Ye and Director Wang have been doing transplants for a long time.

16. They do liver and other organ transplants.

17. The interviewer asked a question: Didn’t the government say the CCP virus is all right now, why do you still need to do nucleic acid tests?

The answer was: The pandemic situation is not stable yet, the hospital stipulates all patients and caregivers have to undergo nucleic acid testing.

(Recording 097 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf097)

Investigation Record 76:

Dr. Yu Liu, a liver transplant doctor at Beijing Chaoyang Hospital

Investigation time: July 16, 2020

Phone number: (+86-13911062788)

Executive summary:

1. Dr. Liu used to work in the Armed Police General hospital, now is working for Beijing Chaoyang Hospital.

2. Dr. Liu asked to see the interviewer patient to talk to him in person tomorrow morning.

3. Beijing Chaoyang Hospital is at East Bridge in Chaoyang District.

4. During the epidemic, this hospital did not stop transplant surgeries, and was operating all the time. They did four cases in three days and one yesterday.

5. The interviewer asked if the transplant surgery can be done in a month. Dr. Liu said Yes.

6. The cost of surgery is about 800,000 RMB.

(Recording 098 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf098)

Part 2: Evidence of liver and kidney transplants still operating in government-owned military hospitals.

Investigation Record 1:

Nurse of Kidney Transplantation Department in Changhai Hospital, Shanghai Second Military Medical University

Investigation time: April 1, 2020

Phone number: (+86-21-31162866)

Executive summary:

Kidney transplants were operated in two groups, one group by Dr. Lei Zhang and one group by director Li Zeng.

(Recording 023 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf023)

Investigation Record 2:

Nurses of Transplantation Department, 303 Hospital of Guangzhou Military Region

Investigation time: April 26, 20202020-04-26

Phone number: (+86-7712870303)

Executive summary:

1. Nucleic acid tests for the CCP virus are required for all patients.

2. There are many more kidney transplants than liver transplants.

3. Director Jianhui Dong is in charge.

4. Director Dong has been doing liver transplantation for many years.

5. The transplant procedure can be expedited if the first time blood type matches.

7. The doctor’s consultation phone number internally is: 2870635

(Recording 055 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf055)

Investigation Record 3:

Nurse in Hepatobiliary Surgery department of Guangzhou General Hospital (Army General Hospital) of Guangzhou Military Region

Investigation time: May 26, 2020

Phone number: (+86-2088653426)

Executive summary:

1. Liver transplant clinic is available for consultation.

2. Expert doctors are available for consultation in the afternoon of Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.

3. Director Jianxiong Chen's outpatient clinic is on Monday afternoon.

(Recording 079 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf079)

Investigation Record 4:

Doctors in the Liver Transplant office, General Hospital of Guangzhou Military Region

Investigation time: May 26, 2020

Phone number: (+86-2088653425)

Executive summary:

1. The transplant clinic is open Thursday and Friday.

2. There are surgeons on duty every day. 

3. Doctors ask patients to come to the clinic with a diagnosis report.

4. For liver transplantation, you can go directly to register with the No. 23 clinic on the third floor.

5. The doctor would not talk further over the phone, must be in person.

(Recording 080 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf080)

Investigation Record 5:

Dr. Wei Zhu at the Kidney Transplant department of People's Liberation Army 458 Hospital (Guangzhou Air Force Hospital)

Investigation time: May 27, 2020

Phone number: (+86-20-61639812)

Executive summary:

1. For kidney transplant, see Dr. Zhu on the 16th floor of the inpatient department.

2. Dr. Wei Zhu is in charge of transplants.

3. Dr. Zhu will not release more information over the phone, ask for an appointment in-person instead.

(Recording 082 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf082)

Investigation Record 6:

Doctors in kidney transplant department of PLA 923 (formerly 303) Hospital

Investigation time: May 28, 2020

Phone number: (+86-771-2870303)

Executive summary:

1. Doctors recommend transplant patients to go to the Second Affiliated Hospital as it does 30-40 operations a month.

2. The recommended hospital’s name is the second affiliated hospital of Guangxi Medical University in Xi xiang tang.

3. Dr. Xuyong Sun is famous for many special transplant operations at the second affiliated hospital.

4. PLA 923 (formerly 303) Hospital only does 1-2 transplants a month. Sometimes only one in a few months.

5. The transplant department at the Second Affiliated Hospital was started by a few doctors from PLA 923 hospital.

(Recording 084 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf084)

Investigation Record 7:

Nurse in the kidney transplant ward of the 923 Hospital of the People's Liberation Army (formerly 303 Hospital)

Investigation time: July 7, 2020

Phone number: (+86-7712870605)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital can do transplant surgeries whenever there are patients.

2. There is no doctor to answer the phone call as they all have all gone to do surgery.

3. There is a kidney transplant operation today.

4. This hospital does both kidney and liver transplantation.

5. The waiting time for organs is as short as one month.

(Recording 096 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf96)

Part 3: Investigations of lung transplant of patients with the CCP Virus

Investigation Record 1:

Nurse in the lung transplant ward of Beijing China-Japan Friendship Hospital

Investigation time: March 2, 2020

Phone number: (+86-1084205566)

Executive summary:

1. Lung transplant patients are requested to screen first for the CCP virus.

2. Dean Jingyu Chen is in charge of transplants.

3. This hospital does not accept transplant patients with the CCP virus.

4. You can go to Dr. Jingyu Chen’s clinic to become his patient.

5. This is not a designated hospital for the CCP virus.

(Recording 011 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf011)

Investigation Record 2:

Doctor in the Lung Transplant Doctor's Office of China-Japan Friendship Hospital

Investigation time: March 2, 2020

Phone number: (+86-108420629)

Executive summary:

1. Doctor commented on Dean Jingyu Chen’s famous case---a CCP virus patient transplant that was done in Wuxi city.

2.Chen’s case is complicated and was performed under a special circumstance.

3.CCP virus patient transplants are not a simple operation. They have to be treated as a special case.

4. The organ sources have a coordination organization that is in charge. During the epidemic time, organ donation work, including organ harvesting has become challenging.

5. Doctor claimed he does not know the CCP virus patient transplant cost, as it is a risky operation.

6. The cost is uncertain due to the risk of complications after lung transplantation.

(Recording 012 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf012)

Investigation Record 3:

Nurse in the lung transplantation ward of Wuxi People's Hospital

Investigation time: March 2, 2020

Phone number: (+86-51082700778)

Executive summary:

1. Nurse said that she does not know if the hospital can accept patients with the CCP virus for lung transplant operation.

2. Contact Dean Chen for questions related to CCP virus transplants.

3. Dr. Jingyu Chen’s CCP virus patient transplant case was done in  Wuxi Fifth People’s Hospital, which is a designated hospital for the CCP virus. 

4. Dr. Jingyu Chen is from Lianyungang city. This case was an experimental transplant case.

5. The doctor said he is not certain if CCP virus patients can be treated with lung transplantation.

 6. Interviewer asked the question: can organs still be used after seven hours?

The doctor’s answer was: “Oh! They have special preservation methods.”

(Recording 013 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf013)

Investigation Record 4:

Nurse at C4 Nurse Station of Wuxi Fifth People's Hospital

Investigation time: March 4, 2020

Phone number: (+86-51068585555 transfer to the ward)

Executive summary:

1. Dean Jingyu Chen's CCP virus patient was hospitalized in this department.

2. Call the switchboard first and ask to be transferred to the C4 doctor's office, which is the nurse's station.

3. The doctors at Wuxi Fifth People's Hospital are there.

4. Tell the operator to transfer to 73235 if you have more questions.

5.  The doctors and nurses of the Wuxi Fifth People's Hospital

are in charge and they will have more insights.

(Recording 014 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf014)

Investigation Record 5:

Dr. Bo Wu, Director of Wuxi Fifth People's Hospital

Investigation time: March 5, 2020

Phone number: (+86-1068585555)

Executive summary:

1. Director Bo Wu answered this call.

2. For CCP virus patient transplant surgeries, you can first make a request with the designated hospital and ask for a consultation with Dr. Jingyu Chen's team. Dr. Wu will go to the consultation and evaluation to make pre-operative preparations. Without doing this, there won’t be surgery available.

3. If the patient is positive for the CCP virus, the surgery cannot be done until the virus turns negative. A doctor can only make an exception if there is non-reversible lung damage or critical conditions.

4. The entire medical process is quite long; Dr. Wu did not know how many days it would take.

5. The CCP virus lung transplantation operation is a public expense.

(Recording 016 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf016)

Investigation Record 6:

Nurse in the lung transplantation ward of the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhejiang University

Investigation time: March 5, 2020

Phone number: (+86-571-87236800)

Executive summary:

1. The nurse confirmed that CCP virus patient transplants are done in this hospital in the Zhijiang branch.

2. Dir. Weili Han is in a quarantine period after a transplant operation.

3. Director Han’s cell phone number is 13957161851

(Recording 017 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf017)

Investigation Record 7:

Medical staff at Lung Transplant Ward of the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhejiang University

Investigation time: March 5, 2020

Phone number: (+86-57187236800)

Executive summary:

1. Director Weili Han is in quarantine after a CCP virus patient transplant operation. The operation was done in Zhijiang

District of the hospital, this district was newly opened at the end of last December.

2. The ventilator will cause great damage to the lung’s function, and the patient’s lung quality will not be good after long usage.

(Recording 018 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf018)

Investigation Record 8:

Thoracic surgeon in the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhengzhou University

Investigation time: March 6, 2020

Phone number: (+86-37167967151)

Executive summary:

1. This hospital did not do transplant surgeries for CCP virus patients.

2. The surgeon confirmed Dr. Jingyu Chen’s famous CCP virus patient transplant case was arranged by the government.

3. Those seeking CCP virus patient transplants should contact the Wuxi Fifth People's Hospital.

(Recording 019 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf019)

Investigation Record 9:

Transplant Doctor in Beijing Anzhen Hospital

Investigation time: March 7, 2020

Phone number: (+86-10-64456984)

Executive summary:

1. The doctor does not recommend transplant surgery for CCP virus patients like Wuxi Fifth People's Hospital did. The long-term effect of lung transplant is not good.

2. The interviewer asked a question: Why are there so many people dead now?

    The doctor answered: Don't say what you just said here, okay?

3. The doctor said the news of people suddenly dying while walking is not true.

(Recording 020 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf020)

Investigation Record 10:

Dr. Hao Chen in the department of Lung Transplantation in the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhejiang University

Investigation time: March 9, 2020

Phone number: (+86-57187236800)

Executive summary:

1. Dr. Chen said currently only his hospital, Wuxi Fifth People's Hospital, and Beijing China-Japan Friendship Hospital do CCP virus patient lung transplant surgeries.

2. Dr. Jingyu Chen’s first case of CCP virus patient lung transplant surgery was paid for by the state. A second CCP virus patient lung transplant mave have been done last Saturday.

3. Last year, this hospital did 30 lung transplant cases and Wuxi Fifth People’s hospital did more than 100 cases.

4. Dr. Chen said that transplantation for severe infectious diseases is complicated, because the immune response of the new lung involved after surgery may make the virus worse. Lung transplantation is the most difficult as the lungs are connected to the outside world. After transplantation, bacterial infections can easily be triggered. Under this circumstance, the patient may find it hard to recover after surgery.

5. Many patients over 70 years old have higher surgery risks.

6. The second CCP virus case patient who had a transplant last Saturday was 70 years old.

7. The lung organ donor can be matched within a week, and the organ is deployed by air.

8. Director Han is in charge of lung transplant, there are two dedicated assistant surgeons helping him. Lung transplant team experts were all dispatched to Zhijiang district of the hospital.

9. There is not much demand for CCP virus transplant.

10. The interviewer asked a question: After a transplant, can the CCP virus be cured?

      Dr. Chen answered: This is difficult to say. Because all transplant cases were done after CCP virus tests were negative, the CCP virus was undetectable.

11. Interviewer’s question: Why do some doctors say that CCP virus can be cured through transplant surgery?

   Doctor’s answer: What we deal with is not the CCP virus, it is the inflammation causing the lungs to become useless. TheCCP virus was already negative before the surgery. What we did was cut out the bad lung and replace it with a good one.

12. Interview’s question: In addition to this transplant, are there other ways to treat the CCP virus?

    Doctor’s answer: No, no effective method has been proven.

(Recording 021 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf021)

Investigation Record 11:

Dr. Zhaoguo Li, a cardio-pulmonary doctor of Harbin Medical University Second Hospital

Investigation time: March 12, 2020

Phone number: (+86-15004672146)

Executive summary:

1. For the first CCP virus patient transplant, the main surgeon was Dr. Jingyu Chen.

2. Dr. Li claimed that time he was in Wuhan. He never heard there was any CCP virus transplant case in Harbin city.

3. Dr. Li did two cases of lung transplants last year, but he never did any transplant for a CCP virus patient.

4. Dr. Li thinks CCP virus transplants need special ward isolation and many other coordinations.

5. Dr. Li thinks Dr. Jingyu Chen took a high risk to do the first CCP virus lung transplant.

6. Dr. Li thinks not many cases are in need of epidermal membranes.

7. Dr. Li does not encourage lung transplant unless it is necessary.

(Recording 022 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf022)

Investigation Record 12:

Chief physician Dr. Weili Han, also the director of the lung transplantation department of the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhejiang University School of Medicine

Investigation time: May 28, 2020

Phone number: (+86-13957161851)

Executive summary:

1. Dr. Han thinks lung transplantation should be prohibited over the age of 83. In general, the maximum age for lung transplant is in the seventies.

2. This hospital has done lung transplants for two years. There are 80-year-old patients on the waiting list, but were not operated on due to their ages.

3. In general, this transplant is not recommended for people in their eighties, due to the high risk of longer recovery time after receiving the new lung.

5. CCP virus patients in general fail to meet the new requirements on lung health due to their poor conditions.

6. Patients in their eighties should not be considered for lung transplant unless their health is particularly good.

7. In general, 50-60% of lung transplant patients can live an additional five years.

8. There are two CCP virus lung transplant cases in Wuhan, the patients are in rehabilitation and their recovery is okay.

9. CCP virus lung transplants can be done in hospitals in Anhui Province. Dr. Han refuses to do it himself. 

11. Dr. Han thinks the CCP virus transplants are still in the early exploration stage.

12. Interviewer’s question: What if high level government officials get the CCP virus and need transplants, what will medical doctors do?

Dr. Han’s answer: I do not know; my two patients are both farmers.

13. Interviewer’s question: I heard farmers are rich these days?

Dr. Han’s answer: I do not think so, let’s end here as I have an operation to catch.

(Recording 083 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf083)

Part 4: 12 investigations regarding organ harvesting of Falun Gong practitioners

Investigation Record 1:

Dr. Guowei Li, a kidney transplant doctor at Xijing Hospital of the Fourth Medical University

Investigation time: January 11, 2020
Phone number: (+86-15929931212)

Executive summary:

Dr. Li: “The organs are from someone under age of 30 with no primary disease. If you are lucky, we can find organs of donors in their twenties, even between fifteen and twenty.”

Dr. Li: “As long as the donor (the Falungong practitioner) is in our hospital, the patient can even meet the live person if he dares to ……I can take you to the surgery table for you to see in person that the donor is in his twenties.”

Investigator: “The organ donor and patients are in the same hospital at the same time? That’s hard to believe, as I thought organs were always harvested outside of the hospital?”

Dr. Li: “Everything is operated in the same hospital, organs are not taken from outside, this is a common practice for transplant surgeries.”

Investigator: “Are there huge increases in the number of transplant surgeries since the year of 1999 and 2000?”

Dr. Li: “Yes!”

Dr. Li: “The cost of matching organs and medical check-up inspections is more than 70,000 yuan.”

(Recording 099 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf099)

Investigation Record 2:

Dr. Guowei :i, a kidney transplant doctor at Xijing Hospital of the Fourth Medical University

Investigation time: January 13, 2020
Phone number: (+86-15929931212)

Executive summary

Investigator: “It is said that organ donors are Falun Gong prisoners.”

Dr. Li: “We don't care who they are and where the organs are from.”

Dr. Li: “In the past, kidney organs were from prisoners.”

Dr. Li: “High-quality kidney sources refer to those young donors within 30 years of age with no primary disease.”

Investigator: “During all these years in China, for organs from Falun Gong practitioners, people cannot openly refer to them this way, but instead call them high-quality, disease-free, and no primary disease.”

Dr. Li: “Yes, it is, you are right to say that! (laugh)”

Dr. Li: “The transplant surgeries in government military hospitals are temporarily on hold due to a state audit, the kidney organs need to be paid cash in advance.”

(Recording 100 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf100)

Investigation Record 3:

Nurse Zheng in Liver Transplant Office in the Second Hospital of Lanzhou University

Investigation time: Jan 13th, 2020
Phone number: (+86-9318943396)

Executive summary:

Nurse Zheng said nowadays they cannot find Falun Gong donors. Their hospital started transplants in 2015 but are banned from talking about it as it is illegal.

(Recording 004 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf004)

Investigation Record 4:

Liver Transplant doctor in Tongzhou District of Beijing Friendship Hospital

Investigation time: Feb 26th, 2020
Phone number: (+86-10-8834411)

Executive summary:

Doctor: “Director Zhijun Zhu and I are in the transplant team.”
Investigator: “We heard the organ donors are Falun Gong practitioners. Can we still get their organs?”

Doctor: “Who said so? No Falun Gong.”
Investigator: “Isn't there any organs from practitioners?”

Doctor: “Hey, no! That's illegal.”
Investigator: “So there are.”

Doctor: “No, nonsense! We never did such, it is illegal! This is an illegal topic; I am not going to tell you anything...all right!” (The phone hangs up.)
(Recording 010 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf010)

Investigation Record 5:

Nurse Li in the Kidney Transplant department of the Second Affiliated Hospital of Hainan Medical College

Investigation time: April 11, 2020
Phone number: (+86-89866809311)

Executive summary:

Investigator: “Is there a Falun Gong donor?”
Nurse Li’s answer: “I don’t know. We nurses don’t care about the donor’s information, you can ask the doctor.”

(Recording 035 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf035)

Investigation Record 6:

Dr. Shiyong Chen in Liver Office of Guiyang Medical Affiliated Hospital

Investigation time: April 13, 2020
Phone number: (+86-85186774319)

Executive summary:

Investigator: “Can I still find a Falun Gong donor if I pay more money?”
Dr. Chen: “That may not work, it can't be like that anymore. Now it has been banned. This kind of judicial case is banned due to ethics violations.”

Investigator: “Organs from practitioners can be used before, why not these days? If it is unethical now, why was it ok at the beginning like it always has been!”
Dr. Chen: “It is not available now according to the new national regulations.”

(Recording 036 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf036)

Investigation record 7:

Dr. Chiyi Chen in the Office of the Liver Transplant of Tianjin Organ Transplant Center

Investigation time: April 16, 2020
Phone number: (+86-2223626858)

Executive summary:

Investigator: “In the past, Director Jiang helped someone find a liver donor of a Falun Gong practitioner. Can we still find that?”
Dr. Chen: “No, there is no such thing, China used to have donors from death row, but nothing like what you said.”

(Recording 041 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf041)

Investigation Record 8:

Kidney Transplant Nurse in the department of Urology in Dalian Friendship Hospital

Investigation time: April 19, 2020

Phone number: (+86-411-82718822-3308)

Executive summary:

Investigator: “Who are the organ donors in general?”
Nurse: “It’s not convenient to provide this info to you. There are all kinds of donors, but most of them died of disease or sudden death.”

Investigator: “My friend said that his relative used judicial organs, that is, those who were in the prison…”
Nurse: “Can you obtain judicial organs? Maybe it was ok before, not now! Not anymore!”

(Recording 042 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf042)

Investigation Record 9:

Doctor Mao in Liver Transplant Office of the First Affiliated Hospital of China Medical University (Shenyang)

Investigation time: April 21, 2020
Phone number: (+86-024-83282651)

Executive summary:

Investigator: “Are there any more judicial organs from donors in prisons…”
Dr. Mao: “No, not anymore now.”

Investigator: “Why not now? Didn't you use them last year?”
Dr. Mao: “Yes, but it is very difficult now.”

Investigator: “I heard organs from Falun Gong practitioners are better. Can you get organs like this?”
Dr. Mao: “This is too difficult and there are too few of these! There are very few corpses from prison. For questions like these, you better ask our director.”

Investigator: “You said too few, that means little less quantity than before, right?”
Dr. Mao: “That's for sure. Yeah! Our country does not allow cases like this now. It is definitely not allowed.”

(Recording 048 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf048)

Investigation Record 10:

Dr. Shuai Zhao in the Liver Transplantation Department of Xinhua Hospital of Shanghai Jiaotong University
Investigation time: April 23, 2020
Phone number: (+86-13482257875)

Executive summary:

Investigator: “We want to get an organ from a Falun Gong practitioner. Can you find one for us?”
Dr. Zhao: “There will be no such cases after 2015. Maybe it happened before 2015.”

(Recording 050 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf050)

Investigation Record 11:

Dr. Xianen Huang, a urological transplant doctor at the Third Affiliated Hospital of Guangzhou Medical University
Investigation time: May 21, 2020
Phone number: (+86-2081292163)

Executive summary

1. Investigator: “Can we still use such (Falun Gong practitioner organs) now?”
Dr. Huang: “Well, it's difficult!”

2. Dr. Huang said that generally speaking the quality of the donors (compared to the previous Falun Gong donors) are not as good,
but it does not impact long-term situations.

3. Investigator: “Can you help us find Falun Gong donors?”
Dr. Huang: “Then you have to wait, wait until there is one, then you can do the surgery.”

(Recording 076 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf076)

Investigation Record 12:

The 989th Hospital of the People's Liberation Army in Luoyang (formerly Hospital 150)
Investigation time: June 12, 2020
Phone number: (+86-37964169114)

Executive summary:

1. Investigator: “How many transplants did you do in a year now? 800 -1,000?”
Answer: “Well, I heard we did a lot. We were involved in liver and kidney transplants but we do not do it now.”

2. The source of the donors were from local murder or robbery prisoners. We also get organs from the national reserve center, since the state has organ reserves plans.

3. Investigator: “I prefer organs from Falun Gong practitioners.”
Answer: “Well, first of all you have to match the type to make sure it works, then if it succeeds, then you can see if they are willing to give, if not, maybe money talks.”

4. Investigator: “So, you can contact the local judicial department and pay them a certain amount of compensation if there is organ availability?”
Answer: “Yes, contacting the judicial department is a good way. First draw blood to match the type, if it matches, then you can contact the prisoner’s family, or the judiciary department, and you pay a certain amount of money for compensation.”

(Recording 088 download: MP3, manuscript download: pdf088)