WOIPFG releases telephone investigation recording of former Minister of National Defense, Liang Guanglie

A phone investigation conducted by WOIPFG provides additional evidence on the Chinese military’s involvement in harvesting organs from Falun Gong practitioners. WOIPFG hereby releases the telephone recording of former Minister of National Defense, Liang Guanglie and a WOIPFG investigator.

Liang Guanglie is the former Defense Minister and retired People's Liberation Army General. The telephone investigation took place during his trip to the U.S. from May 4 to May 10, 2012.

Liang admitted that the Central Military Commission held meetings to discuss the issues about Falun Gong practitioners detained by the military and that the military hospitals were involved.

Below is the partial transcript of the telephone investigation in May 2012:

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Liang Guanglie’s secretary: Hello
Investigator: Hello, I am [omitted for confidentiality].
Liang Guanglie’s secretary: I am the secretary.
Investigator: Did you find Minister Liang?
Liang Guanglie’s secretary: May I ask what this is for?
Investigator: Wang Lijun recently told us some stuff, and we have a few quick questions for Minister Liang.
Liang Guanglie’s secretary: ah,
Investigator: Do you think we can ask some quick questions now?
Liang Guanglie’s secretary: quick questions ... but this is international long distance [phone call], and it is not secure.
Investigator: Nothing related to confidential matters, we just want to confirm some time lines.
Liang Guanglie’s secretary: Just some time line questions?
Investigator: yes, yes
Liang Guanglie’s secretary:about what?
Investigator: It is ...... It is better that we talk directly to Minister Liang.
Liang Guanglie’s secretary:  please wait for a minute.  
Investigator: ah,
Liang Guanglie: Hello
Investigator: Hello, are you Minister of National Defense, Liang Guanglie?
Liang Guanglie: Who are you?
Investigator: I am [omitted for confidentiality]. We have a few quick questions for you. During the past few days, Wang Lijun provided us with some new information. He said he had collaborated with military hospitals to conduct research on organ transplants using detained Falun Gong practitioners.  So please tell us more about the Grade 3A military hospitals using Falun Gong practitioners’ organ for transplants.
Liang Guanglie: about this, ... I need to tell you two things, one is I am right now outside China, you called me but I can’t verify your Identity;
Investigator: ah,
Liang Guanglie: ah, the second is that what you talked about; I am not in charge of it.
Investigator: is the General Logistics Department in charge of it?
Liang Guanglie: Then you have to ask them who is in charge of it.
Investigator: Have you ever heard about it when you were the Chief of Staff?
Liang Guanglie: I heard about it. I was in charge of military related work, not the logisticsand medical things.
Investigator: Also, Wang Lijun provided information indicating that some Falun Gong practitioners who were used as organ donors were detained by the military. So, this is related to …
Liang Ganglie: Don’t ask me this, okay?
Investigator: Ok, Ok, I will ask the General Logistics Department.
Liang Guanglie: you go to the relevant departments, ok?
Investigator: ok
Liang Guanglie: About the thing you asked, ......  I am not in charge of it;  plus it is not appropriate for me to tell you anything, because you are … you suddenly called me.
Investigator: We got your phone number through the Ministry of National Defense.
Liang Guanglie: You got the phone number from the Ministry of National Defense. [It is] an overseas number, [I] don’t know who you are.
Investigator: OK, if you are not in charge of this matter, we will find the relevant department to find out more.
Liang Guanglie: I am not in charge of this, it is not my responsibility. 
Investigator: If at that time the military detained some organ transplant donors, then this thing ......
Liang Guanglie: I've heard of this.
Investigator: was there any discussion about this issue during the Central MilitaryCommission meeting?
Liang Guanglie: It was discussed.
Investigator: ah,
Liang Guanglie: Is that it?
Investigator: OK, we will get more information from relevant departments then.
Liang Guanglie: ok,ok,
Investigator: Ok, sorry for disturbing you,
Liang Guanglie: Is your phone [number] real?
Investigator: ah?
Liang Guanglie: I want to verify your phone [number], is it real?
Investigator: yes, yes, yes
Liang Guanglie: Really?
Investigator: right, right
Liang Guanglie: I will check you, let me tell you,
Investigator: Sure, you can, when you come back, you can send your secretary to visit us. Have a good time in the United States.
Liang Guanglie: Ok
Investigator: well then, sorry for the disturbance. Goodbye.
Liang Guanglie: ok, ok (hangs up)

Established in 2003, WOIPFG has the mission to investigate the criminal conduct of all institutions, organizations, and individuals involved in the persecution of Falun Gong, to bring such investigations, no matter how long it takes, no matter how far and deep we have to search, to full closure, to exercise the fundamental principles of humanity, and to restore and uphold justice in society. We will continue to investigate the criminal conduct of all institutions, organizations, and individuals involved in the persecution of Falun Gong, to bring such investigation to full closure no matter how long it takes or how far we have to search. WOIFPG will continue to exercise the fundamental principles of humanity and to restore and uphold justice in society.

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