World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (WOIPFG) Report: The Chinese Communist Regime Continues Its Campaign of Organ Harvesting from Living Falun Gong Practitioners

 

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) announced that, beginning January 1, 2015, it would stop the practice of using executed prisoners as donors for organ transplants, and that donated organs would be the sole source for organ transplants.

However, according to WOIPFG’s latest telephone investigation conducted during the period of January to November 2015, sampling 165 hospitals designated to perform organ transplants and some institutes for voluntary organ donations, we found that:

1. Organ transplants are still being performed in large quantities with short wait times and abundant donors, which a random supply of voluntary donors that cannot be accounted for;
2. China’s official organ donation institutes claim that donors are very limited and successful matches are few and far between;
3. Some surgeons have frankly acknowledged that the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) campaign of organ harvesting from living Falun Gong practitioners is still ongoing;
4. After June 2015, the practice of forced organ harvesting accelerated once again.

Findings from telephone investigation recordings indicate:

I. All investigated hospitals are still doing organ transplants and are actively recruiting patients, and they indicated that they have a sufficient supply of healthy organ donors, and that they could guarantee the organ quality to be good with a short wait time. The wait time for liver and kidney transplant patients could be as short as 2-3 days, or within 1-2 weeks. Normally, the wait time would not exceed one month.

1. Evidence series #63 (8613623711903)：On June 26, 2015, Dr. Chen Yongfeng from the Organ Transplant Department at Zhengzhou People’s Hospital told a WOIPFG investigator, “Our hospital is the best in Henan Province for performing liver transplants. We did several transplants today; two were liver transplants. The donors are locals. The quality of these donors is trustworthy. If you need a transplant and you give us enough time, we can select a good and relatively young liver. We have plenty of donors. We can still select young and good ones. It is hard to say if that will be the case down the road.”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 1)

2. Evidence series #61 (8637163933151)：On June 25, 2015, a doctor at the Liver and Gallbladder Surgery Department of Zhengzhou People’s Hospital told an investigator, “The shortest wait time for a donor is approximately 2-3 days, in general. The longest would be over 10 days. The cost is about 500,000 yuan (approx. USD 78,000). We have a lot of donors.”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 2)

When asked why their wait time is shorter than other hospitals and where the donors were from, the doctor said, “For this matter, um, I cannot provide any answers. I can’t. Don’t ask. Don’t ask these questions. The organs are directly sent to our operating rooms every day, one or two operations every day, guaranteed.”

3. Evidence series # 1-5 (8615981938937)：On June 25, 2015, Dr. Zhao at the Liver and Gallbladder Transplant Department of Zhengzhou People’s Hospital told one WOIPFG investigator, “For liver transplants, the shortest wait time would be about one or two weeks, the longest would be one month.”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 3)

4. Evidence series # 80 (8657187236871)：On May 8, 2015, a nurse from the kidney transplant wards at the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhejiang University School of Medicine said that the hospital performed more than 300 kidney transplants last year (2014), and they had already performed more than 300 kidney transplants this year (2015).(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 4)

5. Evidence series # 65 (8637166862192)：On March 19, 2015, Dr. Li Gongquan at the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhengzhou University said, “It could be done within a week. If you are willing, you can do organ matching with him…We did one like this today, and we have just finished it. Tomorrow there may be another case…Some (organs) could be sent here overnight. We would perform (the surgeries) overnight. That is very common here.”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 5)

6. Evidence series # 38 (86731-85295208)：On March 19, 2015, the nurse on duty at the Department of Liver Transplants of the Second Xiangya Hospital of Central South University said in terms of the wait time for a liver transplant operation, “If it is short, it could be a few days; if it is long, then it could be more than two weeks!”Investigator: “Are those donor organs fresh?”Nurse’s response: “That is for sure!”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 6)

7. Evidence series #64 (8615038199893)：On June 28, 2015, Dr. Wang Bing at the Liver Surgery Department of Zhengzhou People’s Hospital told an investigator, “A patient may be able to get a donor in two days. In the past during our peak years, our number of transplants was ranked second in the nation. In recent years, our ranking has been within the top five. We had two operations this week; we had three last week. It is well-known that we are good at performing transplant operations. The source of donors has never been a problem. We have good connections all over the country, very strong connections. We perform many organ transplants every year. To be honest, although our national ranking is not great, the quality of our operations is really good! We are very good at what we do.”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 7)

8. Evidence series #91 (8613621069620)：In June 2015, Dr. Huang Jie from the Heart Transplant Department at Beijing’s Fuwai Hospital told an investigator, “The shortest  wait time for a heart donor is 2-3 weeks. We did 81 heart transplants last year, and more than 60 the year before last. We did more than 500 heart transplants in the past 11 years. On average, we perform more than 40 transplants every year. We did more in these two most recent years. This scale is likely the largest in the world. The largest number of heart transplants conducted (by one hospital) from one of the other countries is more than 75. We did 81 heart transplants last year, which should be the largest number in the world. In terms of heart transplants, we should be number one in the world.”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 8)

II. The Phenomenon of Accelerated Organ Harvesting Emerges Again

This past June, WOIPFG released a report that accuses the CCP of forcibly harvesting the organs from more than two million Falun Gong practitioners. The investigation includes audio recordings, in which Zhang Gaoli, a standing committee member of the CCP’s Politburo, and Zhou Benshun, the former Secretary-General of the Central Political and Legislative Affairs Committee, admitted to organ harvesting from living Falun Gong practitioners. There are signs that indicate that the CCP is accelerating its forced organ harvesting program yet again.

1. On August 13th, 2015, Chen Jing-yu, the CCP’s “No. 1 Lung Transplant Surgeon,” also the vice president of Wuxi Municipal People’s Hospital, remarked in public that, “Originally I thought that the number of available donor lungs would decrease, since the practice of death row prisoners being used as donors has been abolished and banned. However, who would have thought that we are even busier than last year. Now we perform one lung transplant operation every three days.”

Figure 1. Chen Jingyu's Sina Weibo @Chen Jingyu’s words from heart, Screenshot on August 13, 2015

Figure 2. Chen Jingyu's Sina Weibo screenshot: "Have been doing it from October 1 to Oct 31, creating a new monthly high."

2. Evidence series #12：On October 11, 2015, Dr. Li Gong from the Liver Transplant Department at the General Hospital of the Chinese People's Armed Police Forces (Beijing) told one investigator, “To do a liver transplant, it won’t take more than two weeks. We performed more than 300 liver transplants this year. We did many last year. Nowadays there are many patients, and there are a particularly large number of donor sources for liver transplants, as well.”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 9)

3. Evidence series #11 (861083997176)：On October 9, 2015, the doctor on duty at the Liver Transplant Department of You An Hospital in Beijing told one investigator, “When waiting for liver donors, if it is quick, you would be able to get operated on immediately after you arrive at the hospital. If it is slow, it may take one or two weeks. It wouldn’t take very long. During the October 1st national holiday period (September 28-October 4), we performed five liver transplants. Don’t worry about the quality of donors. We always go to get the organs ourselves.”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 10)

4. Evidence series #14 (8615136115663)：On September 25th, 2015, Dr. Jian Bin Chen from the liver transplant department at the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhengzhou Medical University remarked clearly that only a 2 or 3 day wait time is needed; at most, the wait time is between 10 days and half a month for donor livers to arrive.(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 11)

III. All hospitals claim that the organs they use for transplants are donated. However, according to organ donation organizations and organ transplant surgeons, there are limited cases of donated organs, and the number of successful donations is very few.

Huang Jiefu revealed in his interview with "New York Times" and "Beijing Youth Daily" on November 18, 2015 that the so-called organ donation system in China was actually in a paralyzed state, and not functioning at all.

"When being asked about the biggest problem currently, he admitted, coordination of Red Cross and the National Planning Commission was not well as the two most important departments in organ donation. The two departments jointly established a national organ donation and transplantation committee on March 1, 2014, but it was like non-existent, 'so far no meeting has been hold yet'. As the chairman, he was very helpless, and worried about it. [1]"

1. Evidence series # , December 6, 2015 (861,063,558,766), the staff from said the Red Cross Society of Beijing,Said that organ donation has not yet begun.(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 12)

Beijing is the country's largest city of organ transplantation, there are 20 hospitals designated by the Ministry of Health, the actual transplant amount is amazing. Director of Urology Jiye Zhu, working in Peking University People's Hospital, said to "China Economic Weekly" , the hospital "has done 4,000 cases of kidney transplants within a year"[2]; Huang Jiefu, Surgeon of Beijing Union Medical College Hospital, said in 2012 more than 500 liver transplants cases has been done by himself, of which only one case is voluntary donations[3], but Huang Jiefu is only one of many (4-6 Groups) liver transplant surgeons in the Union Hospital; Organ Transplant Center of 309 People's Liberation Army Hospital stationed in Beijing Fengtai District has 316 beds[4], according to the number of beds and turnover rate, conservative calculated  that the number of transplants each year is nearly 4000 cases; Beijing Friendship Hospital is Beijing organ transplant matching center, claiming to be Asia's largest kidney transplant center[5], ... ....

Beijing Red Cross has not even donate office, where does so many organs come from?

2.2015_12_11 09- (862227311180) Tianjin Red Cross workers said that from building a database in 2003 (organ donation bank), the donations are more than 170 till now.(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 13)

According to "Tianjin Daily" report on March 1, 2015, "reporter learned from the Red Cross recently, since March 2010, the start of human organ donation work in Tianjin, Tianjin has a total of 123 cases of successful organ donation, the cumulative large organs donated  are 278. [6]"

Such a low number of donations can not explain the huge organ transplant amount in Tianjin. Tianjin had at least four transplant hospitals qualified by the Ministry of Health, including Tianjin First Central Hospital Oriental Organ Transplant Center, which is Asia's largest organ transplant center, with liver and kidney transplants more than 1000 cases per year as public reported. In" China Technology Market Newspaper ", Shen Zhongyang, the hospital director said in the interview January 6, 2015:" By the end of 2013, the number of surgical cases and quality of life of the Oriental Organ Transplant Center ranked first in the country for 16 consecutive years. "" Shen Zhongyang. has led his team completing  ten thousands cases of liver transplants, as the top of list. [7]"The center has more than 500 transplant beds from 2006 to 2014, annual real amount 5400-8000 transplant cases[8]. The number of donations announced by Tianjin Red Cross, can not even explain the publicly amount of the hospital's transplant.

3.December 17, 2015（86-63365880）Red Cross organ donation office staff in Huangpu District, Shanghai said they had only began this work since the first half of last year. The higher level has a document, and organ donation is very difficult. Up to now there are only five cases of organ donations in Shanghai.(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 14)

There are 11 organ transplant hospitals in Shanghai designated by the Ministry of Health, which are all national transplant centers, and carry out a large number of organ transplants each year. So the five cases of organ donations cannot be the main source of donors of a number of organ transplants agencies in Shanghai every year. For example: Organ Transplant Center Introduction on Family Doctor Online: Renji Hospital of Shanghai Jiaotong University claimed to public over 200 cases of liver transplants and 100 cases of kidney transplants each year. " Looking at the stars of School of Medicine of Shanghai Jiaotong University reported the liver transplant center at the hospital has 110 beds for liver transplants, actual amount of liver transplants are over 1,300 cases per year. Urology of Affiliated Ruijin Hospital in Shanghai Jiaotong University "has 57 beds, and 14 of which are ICU beds. The annual average number of transplant cases is over 200."

4. Evidence series # ,On May 14, 2015, a female staff member at the organ donation office at the Red Cross chapter in Qinhuangdao, Hebei Province said, “There are people who have registered for organ donations at some point in their life, so they intended to donate their organs, but there are not many cases like this. However, none of them has donated their organs yet. There hasn’t been a person who has actually donated his or her organs voluntarily. When the person was young, they registered to be an organ donor, but we have to wait until they pass away. However, when the person passes away, his or her organs may not be usable due to changes in health. We cannot use organs that are diseased. As of now, in our office we haven’t had any liver or heart donors.”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 15)

On May 15, 2015, another staff member at the Qinhuangdao Red Cross said they have had only one successful organ donation so far. But later in the conversation the staff member contradicted what was said, explaining that there haven’t been any successful cases of organ donation.(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 16)

5. Evidence series #15 (8613503716066),In March 2015, Liu Zhonghua, the chief physician of the Urological Department at Henan People’s Hospital said, “It is almost impossible for Chinese people to donate their organs. You simply can’t find anyone; you nearly can’t find anyone. If they are not related to someone by blood, who would be willing to give you their organs?!”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 17)

6. Evidence series #55:In July 2015, the on-duty staff at the organ donation office of the Red Cross chapter in Puyang, Henan Province say that there have been no organ donations in Puyang, “up until now, none.”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 18)

7. Evidence series #56:In July 2015, the on-duty staff at the organ donation office of the Red Cross chapter in Jiaozuo said, “There are some people who registered for organ donation, but the number is very, very small; there are people who have registered, but you must wait for them to die of natural causes before organ donations could take place; the number of people who donate their organs after they die from accidents is very, very few. As for those who donate organs after death, they can’t make the decision, since they’re deceased. So their family has to call us to give consent to the donation. Even if the deceased’s close relatives consent to the organ donation, sometimes all it takes is one word from a distant relative, and the family changes their mind about giving consent to the donation.”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 19)

8. In his interview with "New York Times" and "Beijing Youth Daily", Huang Jiefu said, "As of the 17th of this month, it has reached 2,297 cases of organ donations from citizens this year, and it is expected to be more than 2,500 cases this year. For example, if each donor can donate 3 organs after death, the organ donation amount will reach 7,500 or so this year, plus pro-donation, the number of transplants will be more than 10,000 cases this year, which will be the highest in amount in our history, and the quality of transplants has also been greatly improved. [9]"

Even if the number of organs his admitted were true, it simply cannot support such a short transplant waiting time for so many hospitals.

In addition, the amount of China's transplant is not the highest in 2015 like what he said because of over 10,000 cases of kidney transplants and 2,265 cases of liver transplants announced officially by the Chinese Communist Party in 2004. According to WOIPFG investigation report released on June 28, 2015, the official number publicized by the Ministry of Public Health is about 30-fold different from the real amount of transplants. Such a rich organ donor pool should have other sources.

Figure 3. The organ donation number publicized by Huang Jiefu in a speech at Madrid International Transplantation Conference in March 2010

IV.In 2015, the CCP claimed that mainland China had completely stopped using organs from death row prisoners. Yet under the circumstance that the number of donated organs is far from sufficient in replacing death row prisoners’ organs, hospitals across China are still actively advertising organ transplant services and have been performing an exceedingly large number of transplant operations to date. There are still ample donor organs available. How can this abnormal phenomenon be explained?
 

1. Evidence series #66:On February 8, 2015, Tan Yunshan, chief physician from the Liver Pathological Department at the Affiliated Zhongshan Hospital of Fudan University said, “All the livers that have been used in liver transplant operations performed now come from the ‘source.’ Of course, we know who the donors were, as to whether these donors were Falun Gong practitioners or not, that’s not our concern. As long as the organs meet our standard, we don’t care who the donors are.”

Investigator: "Do you know Bai Shuzhong, the former Minister of PLA General Logistics Department of Health has confessed that Jiang Zemin had ordered the organ harvesting from living Falun Gong practitioners for transplants? So is every hospital doing surgeries under that policy?" Tan Yunshan said, "Yes, that’s right." (Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 20)

2.WOIPFG’s 2006 investigation shows that when being asked whether they use Falun Gong practitioners as donors, a surgeon from the Liver Transplantation Center at the Affiliated Zhongshan Hospital of Fudan University responded, “All the ones we have here are of this type.”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 21)

3. Kidney broker Chen Qiang at the People's Liberation Army (PLA) No. 307 Hospital in the Fengtai District of Beijing emphasized that government officials, police, and prisons facilitate the trade of organs from Falun Gong practitioners like a supply chain, and they can also provide information that confirms that the organ “donors” are Falun Gong practitioners. (Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 22)

4. Evidence series #45:On June 30, 2015, Dr. Han at the Hepatobiliary Surgery Department of the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhongshan University, talked to a WOIPFG investigator during a phone investigation. Upon hearing that Huang Jiefu performed more than 500 liver transplants every year, he said, “Presently, we can even perform more than 1,500 transplants [per year].” When the investigator mentioned the organ bank of detained Falun Gong practitioners and the use of organs from Falun Gong practitioners, Dr. Han confirmed both, by saying, “Correct. That’s right.”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 23)

5. Evidence series #:[A conversation involving] Dr. Gong of the second ward of the Cardiothoracic Surgery Department of the Affiliated Tongji Hospital of Huazhong University of Science and Technology on October 12, 2015.(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 24)

Investigator: Are there still ways to get this type of people (i.e. Falun Gong practitioners)? Are there still (any) in labor camps or prisons? There are other ways to find these organs, right?
Dr. Gong: Oh, we don’t seem to have any (“donors”) from jails any more. Then, then… probably (we) have to get them in private.
Investigator: But you used them before. You have used (donors) from labor camps and jails.
Dr. Gong: Yes, we used them before, but now the government has regulations. We cannot use them anymore. What can we do? Do you understand what I am saying?
Investigator: I know, but…
Dr. Gong: The regulation states that we cannot use them, on humanitarian grounds.
Investigator: Oh. So previously (you) went to jails and labor camps to get organs?
Dr. Gong: Yes. Previously, yes.
Investigator: At that time, did Dr. Wei’s team go to get organs or every surgeon went to get (organs) on their own?
Dr. Gong: We have a specialized team, Dr. Wei from our department. (There is a team) specialized in doing this. Professor Zhu is the leader, you know. Professor Zhu is in charge of this.
Investigator: They were the ones who went to labor camps and jails before, right?
Dr. Gong: Yes, it was them.
Investigator: Organs used in the past from imprisoned [Falun Gong] practitioners, right? The quality of their organs is relatively good. In the past, a lot of hospitals… organs from Falun Gong practitioners.
Dr. Gong: …Hmm, now there aren’t any more of those.
Investigator: Oh, you mean organs from Falun Gong practitioners?
Dr. Gong: Yes, now we are no longer allowed to use organs from donors, whom are not claimed by any family members.
Investigator: You mean [organs from] imprisoned Falun Gong practitioners that are not claimed by their family members. A lot of hospitals seem to be performing transplants by using such organs. Your hospital did the same in the past as well, right?
Dr. Gong: Yes, that’s right. We did that in the past, but now the government no longer allows us to do that.
Investigator: Oh, can you now still secretly make contact (with some people) to obtain such organs?
Dr. Gong: I wouldn’t know anything about that.
Investigator: Professor Zhu and Dr. Wei have worked at your department for a long time, right? For more than a dozen years?
Dr. Gong: That is for sure.
Investigator: Oh, so all along it’s them who have done (organ harvesting)? In the past, many hospitals were involved in (doing organ harvesting), in massive quantities. It was allowed at the time. It was an order from Jiang Zemin. He was the chairman back then.
Dr. Gong: Well, you would need written documents issued by the state to perform things of that nature (i.e. organ harvesting).
Investigator: Right, right, Jiang Zemin gave orders to use imprisoned Falun Gong practitioners for organ harvesting. Since Jiang Zemin issued such orders, you dared to perform (organ harvesting), right?
Dr. Gong: Of course.
…… ……
Investigator: Is this Affiliated Tongji Hospital of Huazhong University of Science and Technology?
Dr. Gong: Ah, right.
Investigator: Which division are you in the Cardio Surgery Department?
Dr. Gong: We are the Cardiothoracic Surgery Department. (I’m at) the second ward.
…… ……
Investigator: On average, how many transplant operations do you perform every month? Heart transplants.
Dr. Gong: That depends. Sometimes we perform as many as 5 heart transplants per week. It is not up to us.
Investigator: Oh.
Dr. Gong: This is not up to us.
Investigator: You still have a lot of donors.
Dr. Gong: Yes.
Investigator:  What is the maximum number of transplants you can perform in a week?
Dr. Gong: We can do two organ transplants in one night.
Investigator: Oh, two operations a night. Your donors are quite abundant.
Dr. Gong: Yes.

V.Crazy organ harvesting situation in mainland China

In 2015, the WOIPFG received telephone recordings reported by 2 Falun Gong practitioners: recorded the status quo of doctors in mainland China kill lives for their organs. The doctor not only claimed the amount of organs harvested “innumerable”, “countless”, also threatened to kill the Falun Gong practitioner who called him.

On 9:55 (86-503165709), December 21, 2015, when answering Falun Gong practitioners’ phone call, the doctor on duty (male, Lunming Li?) at the Department of Cardiac Transplantation, Central Hospital of Jiangmen, Guangdong Province claimed: “Yes (kill Falun Gong practitioners for their organs), so what? They are from Falun Gong (practitioners), so what!” “We have done so many, maybe you haven’t thoroughly investigated, too many.”(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 25）

On 22-54-46 (86-7503165709, phone call lasted 19:08 seconds), December 21, 2015, when Falun Gong practitioners asked the doctor on duty at the Department of Cardiac Transplantation, Central Hospital of Jiangmen, Guangdong Province: “how many organs have you dug out from living Falun Gong practitioners?” He replied: “countless.” When asked again: “Do you dare to confirm it is ‘countless’?” He repeated again: “countless.” This doctor directly threatened the Falun Gong practitioner who called him: “you dare to come here, I will kill you, I kill you, I will see you go to heaven or hell”.(Recording Download:MP3,Transcription:Appendix 26 ）

According to the WOIPFG’s investigation,Jiangmen Central Hospital Affiliated to Sun Yat-sen University began kidney transplants in 1999, liver transplants in July 2002, and the first case of heart transplantation in December 2005. The timeline this hospital began to transplant organs is synchronized with the CCP’s persecution of Falun Gong. More detail：http://www.zhuichaguoji.org/node/45790#_Toc405343244

Conclusions:

Over the years, the CCP has been reaping exorbitant profits from harvesting the organs of live Falun Gong practitioners. In the past, the CCP falsely claimed that the organs were from “death row prisoners”, but now the rhetoric has changed to “the donated organs”. These are different lies told at different times. The facts have proven that since 1999, the CCP has been continuously harvesting the organs of living Falun Gong practitioners, up to this day, and the number of organ harvesting cases is enormous. And sometimes, the organ harvesting accelerates.

Through more than 9 years of investigation, WOIPFG has reached the conclusion that: harvesting the organs of live Falun Gong practitioners by the CCP is a Nazi-like crime of the state. The criminal group of the CCP, headed by Jiang Zemin, has been using the entire state apparatus, including the military, armed police, the judicial system and medical institutions, to commit genocide against Falun Gong practitioners through the means of organ harvesting for transplants across China, and the number of practitioners slaughtered through such means is believed to be in the millions. (For details, please read THE FINAL HARVEST: A Comprehensive Investigation into the Chinese Communist Party’s Live Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners http://www.upholdjustice.org/node/284)

The persecution of Falun Gong is genocide and a crime against humanity. This offense is tantamount to crimes committed by the Nazi war criminals. All parties who’ve taken part in the offense must bear responsibility and be subjected to moral and legal punishment, regardless of whether the involved party is a nation, organization or individual. It is the duty of every nation, organization and individual to engage themselves fully in investigating and putting a stop to the crimes against humanity committed by the Chinese communist regime.

The World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (WOIPFG) remains as steadfast as ever to its mission, to investigate the criminal conduct of all institutions, organizations, and individuals involved in the persecution of Falun Gong; to bring such investigations, no matter how long they take, no matter how far and deep we have to search, to full closure; to exercise fundamental principles of humanity; and to restore and uphold justice in society!

World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong
Tele: 347-448-5790; Fax: 347-402-1444
P.O. Box 84，New York, NY 10116, USA
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Appendix 1: Yongfeng Chen, from the Liver Transplantation Department of Zhengzhou People’s Hospital Said that Donors who are Young and Healthier Can Be Selected

2015 Investigation Serial Number 63_, June 26, 2015, #16: 08-41

Yongfeng Chen from Liver Transplantation Department of Zhengzhou People’s Hospital said that today two operations are performed, one donor is 16 years old, and another is 24 years old. We all selected people less than 40 years old. Donors can be found within a week. We have abundant donors now and can select young and healthier ones. but In the future, we don't know if things are still like this.（+86 136 2371 1903）

Answer: Hello,
Investigator: Hi, Doctor Chen, Doctor Chen Yongfeng, hi, Good evening. I was referred to you by the “Liver Transplantation Recipient Society”. I have a relative who needs organ transplantation. This is not easy.So I want to get some information. Can this hospital carry out liver transplantation?
Answer: Our hospital does liver transplantation. We are the best in Henan Province. Today we did other operations, which are two liver transplantation operations.
Investigator:Two operations today, is that right?
Answer:That’s right.
Investigator:Let me try. I have a friend, not me, who just called Doctor Yuan, you know, Yuan Zhenhua. He said he did it today.
Answer:YuanZhenhua, yes, yes, yes. I also heard from Doctor Yuan that there is a patient, probably from Anyang.
Investigator:It’s not Anyang, its Anhui, Anhui.
Answer:From Anhui.
Investigator:Maybe he got it wrong.From Anhui.
Answer:From Anhui.
Investigator:Right, Right, He is blood type B, over 60 years old. he is my relative, not for me, for my relative. My niece contacted him, and then told me that it can be done. I want to get some information. So you said today you did 2 operations, The donors, are they from local areas? Or from other place? How is the quality?
Answer:If you prepare to do liver transplantation, you prepare early, and time will be enough. We can select a healthier and a little younger liver for you. Today we just did one operation. It was a blood type A.This patient is the same. The donor is  B. So today they told me that the donor is a B. Doctor Yuan said a call from Anhui told us the patient is B. I said why don't call today ? Today we have a 16 year old donor with cerebral hemorrhage.He is only 3 days more than16 years old. The liver, over 700 grams were harvested and it was less than 800 grams.  young donor is very good. Very good liver, it was harvested 9 o’clock.
Investigator:16 years old, he was so young and got cerebral hemorrhage at this young age. His cerebral blood vessels have congenital deformity. well, well, It was like this. You did two operations, indeed.
Answer:If you don’t believe me, you can check. There is a name, Guoyong Chen. Chen C-H-E-N. He is our president and our director too. Our liver transplantations are all done by him. He did some operations recently. Two operations have been done between husband and wife with different blood types. You can check on it. These are all reported by CCTV. The operations have absolutely no problem. You can trust us 100%.
Investigator: So usually for donor organs, your surgeon harvest them by themselves, or others  harvested them and sent to you?
Answer: We harvest by ourselves. firstly we must guarantee the donor organ's quality. Because we do the operations, we want to do this operation, we need to show the patients.For every operation, we need to make sure every step is right.  Every day we evaluate the patient, and then do relative exams. So after we do a thorough evaluation and exams, then we harvest the organ. After we harvest it, we have a quality evaluation, after evaluation, if it can be done, then we do it.
Investigator: Where do you harvest the organs?
Answer:If there are donors they will tell us. After they tell us, sometimes we go there, sometimes at our hospital.
Investigator:So today you did two operations. One is 16 years old, and you did 2 or 3 operations today,  2 operations today.
Answer:2 operations, 2 operations. One of them is just like what you said.
Investigator:How old is the other one? Over 20 years old? Your donors are quite young. The qualities should be good. So young.
Answer:There are also older ones. Say, over 30 years, over 40 years. But these donors, we have to control.
Investigator:Oh.So donors over 40 years old, usually you will not take it. Usually within 40 years old.
Answer:Usually we will not take, usually we will not consider.
Investigator:You will not consider. You want over 30 years old or over 20 years old .You guys are quite different.
Answer:There are bodies that are over that age.
Investigator: Yes, go ahead.
Answer: Because now, I guess later on, the donors supply will be tighter and tighter. There will be more and more patients needing transplantation. So I guess later on there will be no room for selection. Now we still have room to select, but I guess later on, if you want to wait, you will lost the opportunity.
Investigator:That 's right. So now how much for a transplantation? I almost forgot to ask.
Answer: It depends, different case has different rate.
Investigator:So let me ask you, roughly how long is the waiting time? Let’s say the patient comes from Anhui, roughly how long is the waiting time?
Answer:Usually about a week.
Investigator:You will find a donor in about a week, usually a week. Let me see if there is anything else. OK. I will contact you then.
Answer:Ok.
Investigator:I will contact you. Thank you.

Appendix 2: On-Duty Doctor from Liver Transplantation Ward of Zhengzhou People’s Hospital

On June 25, 2015, A On-Duty Doctor from Liver Transplantation Ward of Zhengzhou People’s Hospital in the Sickroom Said: the Shortest Waiting Times is 2 or 3 Days, the Longest one is more than 10 Days. We Have Plenty of Donors.

Summary:
1.the shortest waiting time is 2 or 3 days, the longest one is more than 10 days.
2.Yes. We have plenty of donors.
3.(Type of donors) No comment on that. Please do not ask about that.
4.(How many operations were carried out) Do not ask about that!

Investigator: I have a patient, who needs liver transplantation. I heard from friends,that you can do it,  right?
Doctor: We can do it. Where are you from?
Investigator: My relative is in Zhengzhou. I am in Guangzhou. I want to know how much does it cost to do a liver transplantation?
Doctor: Does he have Hepatitis B?
Investigator: No.
Doctor: What serious illness does he have to make him need liver transplantation?
Investigator: He has hepatitis B. Doctors diagnosed him. He needs liver transplantation. B blood type.
Doctor: Oh. He has hepatitis B. About 500,000 yuans.
Investigator: Let me ask, how long does he need to wait?
Doctor: The shortest waiting time is 2 or 3 days, the longest one is more than 10 days.
Investigator: Oh. I asked a few hospitals. Your place is quite fast, faster than the big hospitals in Shanghai. Your donors are healthy, right?
Doctor: yes, they are.
Investigator: How come your donors come faster than the big hospitals in Beijing? You have plenty of donors!
Doctor: Yes we have plenty of donors.
Investigator: What kind of donors are yours?
Doctor: No comments, no comments. Please do not ask about this.
Investigator: Oh. Do not ask about this?
Doctor: Right. Do not ask about it.
Investigator: How do I find you then?
Doctor: 16^th Floor, Liver Transplantation Department.
Investigator: What is your name? How do I call you?
Doctor: Just look for Liver Transplantation(Department). OK. (Never revealed true name.Very cautious.)
Investigator: Just need 2 or 3 days after we come?
Doctor: Yes.The fast cases are 3 or 2 days. It depends on each patient’s condition.
Investigator: How many operations have you done this year?
Doctor: Don’t ask about these things!
----- Hang up the telephone

Appendix 3: Doctor Zhao working in Hepatobiliary Surgery of Zhengzhou People's Hospital:you may need to wait for 1-2 weeks, or one month at most (for liver transplantation)

We called Doctor Zhao working inHeptobiliary Surgery of Zhengzhou People's Hospital on 26 May 2015.  He answered: you may need to wait for 1-2 weeks, or one month at most(for liver transplantation).

Investigator: Hello,doctor Zhao, I am......
Doctor Zhao: Who told you about me and my telephone number?
Investigator:I found Liver Transplantation Recipients Society through internet, and they referred you to me.I just want to know if your hospital cancarry out liver transplantation.
Doctor Zhao:Sure, we can, we've been doing this for many years.
Investigator: Oh, for many years.Well, I am just wondering, I mean,  if my relative wants to do liver transplantation in your hospital, how long does he need to wait?
Doctor Zhao: It depends.We should say that we have to do the matching first to see if it matchs and if it's right for the patient.If everything is going well, you just need to wait for 1-2 weeks, if not, you probably need to wait for one month.Some even wait for 2 months. But in most of cases it's one month.
Investigator: That's ...how much does your hospital need for doing this?
Doctor Zhao:It'sapproximately several hundred thousands, about half million.
Investigator:All right, thank you, bye!

Appendix 4: The nurse working in kidney transplant ward of the First Affiliated Hospital of Medical School of Zhejiang University said they completed more than 300 cases last year, and this year too.

(telephone automatic voice system: hello, welcome to call Medical School of Zhejiang University)

Nurse: Hello, this is Kidney Transplant Ward.
Investigator: Hello, nurse, would you please tell me how many cases of kidney transplantation you have done this year?
Nurse: More than 300 cases last year.
Investigator:Oh, more than 300 cases, how about this year?
Nurse:Yes, yes, yes.
Investigator: How about this year?
Nurse:This year, it should be about the same.  what do you want?
Investigator: Oh, there are 300 cases this year, it's almost the same as last year, right?
Nurse:Yes, yes, it's almost the same in total number.
Investigator:Oh, it means there were more than 300 cases last year.
Nurse:Right, right, right.

Appendix 5: Gongquan Li, liver transplantation doctor of the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhengzhou University said:  if you come here at night, we can do the operation at the same night

2015 Survey No. 652015_6_25:  the audio recording of the telephone investigation toGongquan Li, liver transplantation doctor of the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhengzhou University.

Gongquan Li: Hello.
Investigator: Hello, you are doctor Li, right? 
Gongquan Li: Yes, yes, yes.
Investigator: I want to ask you about liver transplantation.
Gongquan Li: Hmm.
Investigator: I think you....you can do this, right?
Gongquan Li:Oh, you said where you come from?
Investigator: Oh, from Xinyang.
Gongquan Li: What?
Investigator: I come from Xinyang.
Gongquan Li: Hmm.
Investigator: I want to ask you about liver transplantation, my mother, you know, her liver doesn't work well, and has become Decompensation. 
Gongquan Li: Hmm.
Investigator:I think you can do this, right?
Gongqun Li: Hmm.
Investigator: I want to know that your hospital can do this, right?
Gongquan Li:Hmm, sure,sure.
Investigator: I want to ask, I mean, the operation like this, how much will it cost?
Gongquan Li: Cost?
Investigator:Oh,yes.
Gongquan Li:The cost should be 2....if everything is going well, about 300,000,  more than 300,000.
Investigator:What do you mean everything is going well, what if not?
Gongquan Li: No, I mean (the cost) will occur when you take medicine in the hospital, during hospitalization.
Investigator: During hospitalization.
Gongquan Li: You should bring the patient here, comes here first, it's convenient (for us).
Investigator: Now, I mean, I call you today to know the situation first, one thing is the cost, another is to make sure if you can do the operation immediately when we get there.
Gongquan Li: I think it can be done within one week, if you like you can do the matching, do it now.
Investigator: But my mother's blood type is B.
Gongquan Li: Perfect.
Investigator: Her blood type is B, I made inquiries before.
Gongquan Li: This afternoon, (I mean) this morning we have done (liver transplantation) for one patient.  we just finished.  there is probably one operation tomorrow.
Investigator:Just like the one you just did (for the patient) today, how long had he been waiting for?
Gongquan Li: Approximately... approximately, it's like when the patient has done all the necessary procedures, we make sure the operation can be done.  if the patient's liver is still functioning a little bit, and the donor liver is found, and it's right for the patient, we will call the patient to come here immediately.  In some cases they come here at night and we do the liver transplantation at the same night.  that's how we do.

Appendix 6: Nurse from liver transplantationoffice of Xiangya Second Hospital Central South University: only a few days, or probably more than 2 weeks at most.

In the afternoon of 19 March 2015, (investigation order No. 38), call the number of 731-85295208 of liver transplantation office of Xiangya Second Hospital Central South University.  Haizhi Qi is not available and the nurse answered the phone.

Summary:
1.Question: how long does a patient need to wait for liver transplantation?  Answer: only a few days, or probably more than 2 weeks at most.
2.Question: all donor organs are very FRESH, right?  Answer: that's for sure.

Telephone Conversation:
Nurse: Hello.
Investigation: Hello, can I speak to Haizhi Qi?
Nurse:Oh, who is calling please?
Investigator:How long does a patient need to wait for liver transplantation?Do we need to wait?
Nurse:Yes, only a few days, or more than 2 weeks at most.
Investigator: More than 2 weeks?  it costs more, right?
Nurse:Not necessarily, sometimes only a few days.
Investigator: Oh, sometimes this can be done within a few days. right?
Nurse:Yes, yes,
Investigator: All donor organs are very FRESH, right?
Nurse:That's for sure.  it's better to come here yourself if you want to do the transplantation, because I can't explain this to you very clearly through phone.  We need to know the patient's case history, it's not one or two sentences to judge if you can or can't do the transplantation.
Investigator: Oh.
Nurse:Hmm...
Investigator:All right, all right.

Appendix 7: Bing Wang from Hepatobiliary Surgery of Zheng Zhou People’s Hospital

Bing Wang from Hepatobiliary Surgery of Zheng Zhou People’s Hospital claimed on June 28, 2015 that he has participated a lot of liver transplant surgeries.

Bing Wang: Hello?
Investigator: Hi, good evening, Dr. Wang. Good evening. I am sorry to disturb you.
Bing Wang: Hi, hi, it's ok.
Investigator: My niece called me, she said she has contacted you.One of our relatives, male, wants to do liver transplantation. 
Bing Wang: What's his blood type?
Investigator: She has contacted you, hasn't she?She said she has talked about this to you.
Bing Wang: Yes yes, she did called me at day time.
Investigator:Right, right, I care about this very much, it's a big operation.He think it would be better for me to talk with you.I used to study medicine, but now I am not working in this field.I want to know more about this.
Bing Wang: What kind of relation are you and the patient?
Investigator: The patient is my cousin, he wants to do the transplantation.
Bing Wang: The patient is your cousin.
Investigator: Yes, we are a big family, they all care about this very much.I want to know how much for this.We have to make readies, families put their money together to pay for it.
Bing Wang: It's almost six or seven hundred thousand.Some with serious illness may spend more.
Investigator:Can you guarantee the of the donor organ's quality?
Bing Wang:Definitely.
Investigator:You are sure about this.
Bing Wang:In general speaking, the patient recovered very well.The quantity of transplantations are even rated the top 5 over the country and the quality is very high too.Let me tell you something, why are we doing so well?It's because the dedication of the doctors in our surgery are particularly large. For example, one doctor only need to walk 2 minute home, but he went home after one-week working in the hospital.They are very busy, sometimes they have to complete the surgery while they are on business trip all day, and they have to work in ICU to take care of the patients after the surgery. they may not go home after working in the hospital for one week.Our doctors made a great sacrifice.To be honest with you, we would have thought about to quit the job if the patient didn't recover so well.We are so tired.
Investigator:You have been working so hard and you are too tired.You work tirelessly, so how many cases did you carry out last year?
Bing Wang:If you want to come to our hospital, you can directly go to Liver Surgery in 16 Floor, Zhengzhou People's Hospital.
Investigator: Ok,Ok.
Bing Wang:Our director is the president of our hospital.
Investigator:Who is the president?Tell me what his last name is.
Bing Wang:Chen, President Chen.
Investigator:President Chen.
Bing Wang: When you come over, if I am not doing the surgery and in the office, come to find me.
Investigator: I get it.I still want to ask if you will have a surgery tomorrow.
Bing Wang:We will have a transplantation surgery tomorrow.
Investigator:How many cases have you done this year?
Bing Wang: Today is Sunday, right?I am on duty today.We have done 2-3 surgeries last week.
Investigator:You work so hard. 2-3 surgeries last week, you basically do every week, right?
Bing Wang: Yes, it's almost like that. we have done a lot.  

Appendix 8: Heart Transplantation Doctor.Jie Huang from Beijing Fuwai Hospital

On June 2015 Heart Transplantation Doctor.Jie Huang from Beijing Fuwai Hospital said: the quantity of heart transplantation should be the largest. 

Investigator: I am sorry, we mean that we want to go to your hospital.  We know you don't have very young donor organs,  would you please tell me how any cases you have done approximately in one year? the family members of several patients just ask about this.
Dr. Jie Huang: The child donors or adult donors?
Investigator: Both, how many cases have you done respectively?
Dr. Jie Huang:We usually regard people above 14 years old as adult donor.We did 81 cases last year, and more than 60 cases the year before last year, there are more than 40 cases each year in 10-year average.So you see we have done 500 cases in 11 years.There are more than 40 cases each year in average.There have been a little more for these two years, 60 cases, 80 cases.The quantities have become the largest in the world.The largest one was 75 cases, but we did 81 cases last year, which should be the largest in the world.The quantity of heart transplantation should be the largest. 

Appendix 9: Liver Transplantation Doctor Gong Li from Beijing General Hospital of Chinese People's Armed Police Forces

On October 11, 2015 Liver Transplantation Doctor Gong Li from Beijing General Hospital of Chinese People's Armed Police Forcessaid:  we did a lot last year.   The numbers of the patients are particularly large now and donor livers too.  The longest waiting time is 2 weeks, most of them can be done the transplantation within 2 weeks. 

Summary:
1.The liver transplantation can be done within 2 weeks, this is the longest time.
2.There have been more than 300 cases this year.
3.We did a lot last year.There are particularly large number of patients now and donor livers too.

the Conversation:

Investigator: Is this Doctor Gong Li fromBeijing General Hospital of Chinese People's Armed Police Forces?
Dr. Gong Li: Yes, This is he.
Investigator: Can you still do the transplantation?
Dr. Gong Li: Liver transplantation?
Investigator: Yes.
Dr. Gong Li: Yes, we can.
Investigator:My patients are waiting in our hospital, do you have enough beds?
Dr. Gong Li: I don't get you.
Investigator: How long does a patient probably need to wait for the donor organ?
Dr. Gong Li:Tomorrow, we have tomorrow.
Investigator:So soon.
Dr. Gong Li: Yes, you just need to wait about more than 10 days.
Investigator:You mean more than 10 days at most, right?  most of cases are 2 weeks, right?
Dr. Gong Li:Yes, yes, yes.
Investigator:Doctor Zang has left, so who will be the one?
Dr. Gong Li: Lots of our doctors can do.
Investigator:Oh, lots of your doctors can do.
Dr. Gong Li: More than several hundred cases a year.
Investigator:How many cases have you done this year?
Dr. Gong Li:Probably just more than 200 cases this year.
Investigator: Oh, you really have done a lot, how about last year?
Dr. Gong Li:We did a lot last year. The numbers of the patients are particularly large now and donor livers too.
Investigator: Oh, there have been more than 300 cases this year.

Appendix 10: Beijing You An Hospital Liver Transplantation Center, the doctor on duty said, that whenver they have liver, they can operate immediately, and otherwise, it may be slow and takes 1-2 weeks.

Summary:
1.Waiting for liver, if it comes fast, the operation can be done immediately; if it comes slow, maybe one or two weeks. It will never be too late.
2.From September 28-October 4, they did five liver transplants.

Phone content:
Investigator: Is Dr. Liu Ying there?
Doctor: Liu Ying? She is a nurse; she was over there, try x 175.
Investigator: Oh, sorry, she gave me this number, but I actually want to talk to you.
Doctor: What about?
Investigator: I have a relative suffering from a liver failure, a B-type blood, and wanting a liver transplant.Can it be done in your hospital?
Doctor: Yes, it can be done here.
Investigator: How many days he has to wait?
Doctor: B type is not very much in demand; recently we had a chance to take a Type B liver, but we did not take it.We don’t have it this week, and if you want to come, you may get it quickly.
Investigator: What is the shortest waiting time?
Doctor: The fastest? You mean for a liver?
Investigator: right.
Doctor: We have to wait for someone to donate.It can be very fast.
Investigator: About how long? The patient is not in the country.
Doctor: If fast, may be immediately. If slow, perhaps a week or two.Never too late.
Investigator: What about the quality of the liver?
Doctor: Quality is no problem, we obtain the liver ourselves.

Appendix 11： A physician from the liver transplant department at the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhengzhou Medical University

Summary :On September 25th, 2015, (8615136115663), Dr. Jian Bin Chen from the liver transplant department at the First Affiliated Hospital of Zhengzhou Medical University remarked clearly that only a 2 or 3 day wait time is needed; at most, the wait time is between 10 days and half a month for donor livers to arrive.

Dr. Chen:Hi, who is it?
Investigator:Hi, Dr. Chen, how are you?Someone here needs a liver transplant; can he get on your list?
Dr. Chen: Oh, yes.
Investigator: How long does he wait?
Dr. Chen: Is he coming next week?
Investigator: He is blood type B.
Dr. Chen: Type B, it can be as fast as 2 or 3 days, or as slow as 10 to 15 days.
Investigator : You said, it can be as fast as 2 or 3 days, or 10-15 days, correct?
Dr. Chen: Correct.
Investigator: How are the donors?
Dr. Chen: Here , we got them, 2 or 3 every week…..

Appendix 12： The Staff  From Said the Red Cross Society of Beijing, Said that organ donation has not yet begun.

Summary:December 6, 2015 (861,063,558,766), the staff from said the Red Cross Society of Beijing,Said that organ donation has not yet begun.

Investigator: You are Beijing Red Cross, right?
Red Cross staff: Yes, we are on duty.
Investigator: I have a relative needs a transplant, the hospital said the Red Cross here  has organs, I would like to ask, people donate organs here?
Red Cross staff member: You mean the organ donation?
Investigator: Yes, organ donation.
Red Cross staff: We are Beijing Red Cross, and now we are preparing for the organ donation.
Investigator: Beijing is preparing for the donation, right?
Red Cross staff: Yes, yes.

Investigator: That has not yet begun, right? for  example, Beijing does not have something under construction for the organ donation, right?
Red Clerk: We now have a preparatory office work, but no formal special department responsible for it.
Investigator: no formal sector is doing it, right?
Red Cross staff: Right, only preparations, but there is no established formal sector.
Investigator: Oh, that means no one can come in and donate his/her organs, right.
Red Cross staff: Some people may also have the intention to donate,  and we generally encourage them to register on the site.

Appendix 13：Tianjin Red Cross Said There Have Been More Than 170 Donors Since the Establishment of Donation System in 2003

Summary:2015_12_11，Tianjin Red Cross said there have been more than 170 donors since the establishment of donation system in 2003.

Investigator: hello
Red Cross Employee: hello, I'm listening.
Investigator: a patient who wants to do transplantation heard about the donation.  I would like to ask what the situation of donation is, I mean, here.
Red Cross Employee: May I ask where you come from?
Investigator: well, I am, I mean I have a relative from Hulu Island, not far from here, and I am from Guangdong.  I just want to know if you have donors, if yes, I will introduce him to come to Tianjin.  There is a Central Hospital who is very good (at transplantations), isn't it?
Red Cross Employee: yes.
Investigator: I just want to know the situation of donation here.  I just want to ask how many people have agreed to make donation.
Red Cross Employee: well...what do you mean?  You mean how many people have agreed to make the donation since the establishment of the donation system, right?
Investigator: yes, yes, yes,   how many?
Red Cross Employee: there have been more than 170 people, in Tianjin City, that's it.
Investigator: Does this include body donation?
Red Cross Employee: no, the donors here are all healthy people, they are willing to donate to save patients.
Investigator: When do you begin the donation, and how many years does it take to have the more than one hundred donors?  since when?
Red Cross Employee: since 2003
Investigator: 2003?
Red Cross Employee: yes, right.
Investigator: there have been more than one hundred donors since 2003, right?
Red Cross Employee: right, right, right.....
Investigator: oh, I see.  Are the donors all old or young?
Red Cross Employee: both,  young people are relatively more.
Investigator: were they dead in illness or car accident?
Red Cross Employee: both.  wait a minute, they are all healthy volunteers, they come here to have registration and make matching with the patients.  that's all.
Investigator:  I see.  you have more than one hundred donors.  but a successful donation will occur until the donor's death, like in car accident, right?  His registration doesn't mean he has made the donation successfully.  So you mean there have been more than 100 people who has made the registration here since 2003, right?
Red Cross Employee: yes, yes, yes...
Investigator: I see....Those people who have made the registration are all doctors and nurses, I heard they are doctors and nurses, right?
Red Cross Employee: oh, no, no.
Investigator: they are not?  I see.  May I have your director's name?
Red Cross Employee: well, where are you from?  we are not open to the public.
Investigator: oh, not open to the public.  May I have your name?
Red Cross Employee: May I ask where you are from?
Investigator: I just want to know about the donation, because the donation......
Red Cross Employee: if you want to know about the donation, you could come to Shannxi Road of Heping District, you can come over to ask about this.  Our telephone number is only used for the registration of volunteers, for this kind of things.
Investigation:  oh, I see.
Red Cross Employee: I'm sorry about that.
Investigator: I would like to talk with your director, I want to know the....
Red Cross Employee: sorry, our director is in meeting now.
Investigator: in meeting?  I can talk to him later, what's his telephone number?
Red Cross Employee: well, it is not open to the public. 

Appendix 14:There actually were only five cases of donations in Shanghai (human organs)

December 17, 2015（86-63365880）Red Cross organ donation office staff in Huangpu District, Shanghai said they had only began this work since the first half of last year. The higher level has a document, and organ donation is very difficult. Up to now there are only five cases of organ donations in Shanghai.

Investigation recordings excerpt:

Investigator: So Red Cross organ donation center in Huangpu District, Shanghai received more donations?
Red Cross staff: Not many currently, just some, we began the pilot work last year.
Investigator: You started to do it from the beginning of this year?
Red Cross staff: From last year.
Investigator: Which month last year?
Red Cross staff:? ?
Investigator: How many cases of donations have been received up to now?
Red Cross staff: There are actually only five cases of donations in Shanghai.
Investigator: We actually only have five cases of donations in Shanghai, right?
Red Cross staff: Yes, actually only five cases of donations.
Investigator: So five cases of liver or kidney donations, or cornea? How many cases registered at your office?
Red Cross staff: Very few registered cases, which have special conditions, it is not that I want to donate and then I can immediately donate it, so usually it is a car accident, or dying in the hospital, then they will donate an organ. Now in China, it is unlike in foreign countries, if there is a traffic accident in a foreign country,? ? the organ can be donated immediately.
Investigator: How many actually succeed in donation? In your area?
Red Cross staff member: Only five cases in our city.
Investigator: Only five cases in our city. People rarely donate organs, here in Shanghai.
Red Cross Staff: Not so many here, only a few cases per year, for those who had filled in the form, the person can not donate when alive and well.

Appendix 15：Qinhuangdao municipal Red Cross organ donation office –there are people who have signed up, but there is no implementation of any donation

Recording Evidence: On May 14, 2015, WOIPFG investigator investigated a female staff at Qinhuangdao municipal Red Cross organ donation office with thepresudo- identity of a family member of the patientfor the organ donation situation in the city. Results:there are people who have signed up, but there is no implementation of any donation.

Important tips:
1.They all sign up first when alive, but now there is no one who has donated. They can only donate after their death. There is no implementation of any donation here. They may sign up at a very young age, but we can only wait until his last minute.
2.Donation after death- donate body organs after death. But the organ may not be able to be used, for example, sick people’s organs. But some patients live very long.How to donate if they were still alive?
3.There are some who had signed up, but nobody had donated yet. They only had the intention to donate organs, but not so many like this.
4. Now in Qinhuangdao, nobody had donated any liver or heart yet.
5. Donations seldom succeed. They sign up now, you have to wait for his death.
(The official media reported on April 2, 2015 that there were only 14 successful organ donations in Hebei Provincefrom June 2013 to date, Red Cross obtained 35 large organs for transplant.)

Phone calls content:
Investigator: Is this the Red Cross to organs donation office?
Red Cross Staff: What’s the matter?
Investigator: Do you have any donated organs here?
Red Cross Staff: No, we start organ donation after death?
Investigator: Right. Now do you have any one who donate?
Red Cross staff: There are people who signed up.
Investigator: Is there anyone donate organs here?
Red Cross staff: Whom am speaking to?
Investigator: I have a patientin need of kidneys. Do you have someone who donated it?
Red Cross staff: they first sign up here when alive, but now nobody had donated yet. They have to wait to their death to donate. We must wait.
Investigator: Oh, just donate after their death?
Red Cross staff: Right, right, right. Nobody (donated).
Investigator: Not yet now?
Red Cross staff: No implemented donation yet.
Investigator: All have to wait to donate after death, isn’t it?
Red Cross staff: Right, right, right.
Investigator: But the doctor said, after the death,the organwill not be good to use.
Red Cross staff member: But we can only have donations after death at Red Cross.
Investigator: Donate after death?
Red Cross staff: Yes, donation after death.
Investigator: Oh.
Red Cross staff: living donation is illegal, we don’t have it.
Investigator: The doctor said if the donor died, the organ won’t be good to use? The effect is not very good?
Red Cross staff: This is medical, but we only have donations after death. This donation will not necessarily be able to use. For example, a sick person, it is impossible to use.
Investigator: So do you have such donation after death?
Red Cross staff: There are people who had signed up, but have not donated yet.
Investigator: There are people who signed up, are there many?
Red Cross staff: Some have the intention.
Investigator: Are there many?
Red Cross staff: Not many.
Investigator: Not many?
Red Cross staff: Not many.
Investigator: After cornea donation, won't they also lose their eyes?
Red Cross Staff: Well that is ...... donations.
Investigator: kidneys are OK? It is not easy to get liver or heart, isn’t it?
Red Cross Staff: Now in Qinhuangdao, there are no liver or heart donations, even no place to accept such donations, nor ......
Investigator: Nobody donate it, nobody accept it.
Red Cross staff: Right, right, right right, it is only kidneys, corneas as well as the remains, these three things.
Investigator: So corneas and kidneys have people who signed up?
Red Cross staff: Right, right.
Investigator: That was signed to his loved ones, or anyone?
Red Cross staff: Right, anyone, it means that he/she agrees,just follow the hospital’s schedule.
Red Cross staff: Those who really agree to donate,it cannot be used at all at that time.
Investigator: Can’t be used?
Red Cross Staff: Right, such as one with cancer, you can notuse it at all.
Investigator: Right, even if he agreed to donate, it cannot be used.
Red Cross staff member: But corneas are good.
Investigator: So the one with cancer, you cannot use it even if donated.
Red Cross Staff: Right, right. You transplant for someone, what if it had cancer, what can you do?
Investigator: Don’t dare to use it.
Red Cross staff: Hospitals won’t  accept either.
Investigator: Kidney donations are also the case, it is still not easy, not feasible, right?
Red Cross staff: Just work out slowly, but there are people who have signed up.
Investigator: But if nobody dare to use the donated organs, what to do?
Red Cross staff: Those six people signed up when young, nobody knows their final state.
Investigators:(bothlaughed) if nobody knows the end, who will do it?
Red Cross staff: It is also possible to sign up at a very young age, and then we can only wait until the last minute.
......
Investigator: You are Qinhuangdao, so every city should have a donation office?
Red Cross staff: Right, right.
Investigator: I heard there were very few donations.
Red Cross staff: Yes. Sign up now, you have to wait (an organ after death), work out slowly.
Investigator: There are people who have signed up, wait after death? Wait when they die.
Red Cross staff: Right, right, donation after death.

Appendix 16：Organ Donation Office, Qinhuangdao City Red Cross, Hebei Province

The lady who answered the phone (+86-335-5311503) at Qinhuangdao City Red Cross said they had only one successful case of organ donation, but later she clarified and said they never had successful case.

The Focus of the Conversation:
1.There was only one successful case of organ donation in Qinhuangdao City.
2.Doctors from authorized hospitals said: few people donate, and it’s quite difficult to find donors.
3.The lady made it clear: just signing the agreement to donate organs and successful donation are two different concepts. Some people signed the agreement, but there was no successful case of organ donation.

the Conversation:
Investigator:Is there anyone donating organs for organ transplantation?
Red Cross Worker: Are you talking about successful donation or signing the agreement to donate?
Investigator: What do you mean?
Red Cross Worker: Yes, there is.
Investigator: What kind of donation? someone with cancer?
Red Cross Worker: Organs or corpses?
Investigator: Organs.
Red Cross Worker: If you are talking about organ, we had only one successful case because the requirements for organ transplantation are pretty high.
Investigator: If a person is dead, can those organs still be used? Are they unusable?
Red Cross Worker: It depends on if it's fit for transplantation, it’s up to No.281 Hospital.For example: kidney, the hospital decide if it can be used or not, the clinician will make the decision.
Investigator:Body donation?
Red Cross Worker: ……
Investigator: As you said, there was no donation.
Red Cross Worker:this years with efforts of raising public awareness, there are still some people who have signed the agreement to donate.
Investigator:Doctors working in hospitals said there is very few people to donate and very hard to find donors.
Red Cross Worker: Yes, it does. It’s the same situation over the country
……
Red Cross Worker: yes, not so many people do it in last 2 years.  We have made lots of efforts these two years. Signing the donation agreement doesn’t mean to donate.  Now some people have signed the agreement, but there is no one to actually donate and has made successful donation.
Investigator: I see, that means signing the agreement to donate and successful donation are two different things.
Red Cross Worker: for example, one person has signed the donation agreement, but he doesn't meet the requirement of actual donation because he is living very well, so how to donate his organs.   He is just willing to do this, and have signed the agreement.
Investigator: How many people in your local area have signed it?
Red Cross Worker: who are you? Why do you always want to know about this? These are all secrets!  It’s not convenient for me to release the information.
Investigator: how is it a secret?
Red Cross Worker: It does is a secret.
……

Appendix 17：LiuZhonghua, Chief Physician of Urology Department of Henan Province People’s Hospital: Not Able to Find Donated Organs,Could Hardly Find

The Focus of the Conversation:

Liu Zhonghua said it’s almost impossible for Chinese people to donate their organs. “We cannot find (donated organs), could hardly find.”
When asked if non-relatives people reluctant to donate organs, he replied, “Of course, who wants to give (their organs) to you?”
(Liu had participated in 56 kidney transplant surgeries by April 2003)

the Conversation:
Investigator: does what you said just now shows that transplantations in China is impossible to rely on people donating their organs? Is getting donated organs too slim?
Liu Zhonghua: Yes. We can't find, almost none.
Investigator:Reports said donors are all relatives of the patients.
Liu Zhonghua: Yes, in most cases. Of course we are still working on this and it's just a start.
Investigators: Does non-relatives people usually reluctant to donate their organs?
Liu Zhonghua: Of course, who wants to give (their organs) to you? Trading organs is strictly prohibited. It’s not allowed.
Investigator: how about the peak time of organ transplantation before 2006?
Liu Zhonghua: It was not like that. Not all of them.
Investigator: what was happened in the past?  Where were the organs from?
Liu Zhonghua: I don't want to talk about more, for things in the past, let’s forget it…..
Investigator:You don't want to talk about it, I understand that. But let me tell you: Bai Shuzhong, the General Logistics Department of the People’s Liberation Army said that it was Jiang Zemin who ordered to harvest organs from living Falun Gong practitioners for transplantation……
Liu Zhonghua: (suddenly raised his voice) Let’s stop the talk! stop, no more talk about other things. I am still busy...... (Liu hung up the phone.)

Appendix 18：Puyang City Red Cross employee said that no one donate organs at present

Red Cross Employee: Hello.
Investigator: Hello, hello, is this Organ Donation Office of Puyang City Red Cross?
Red Cross Employee: Yes, where are you calling from?
Investigator: How are you? I want to ask something.  One of my relatives from Jinan City has cirrhosis, and he needs liver transplantation.  Doctor, I want to confirm, I was told by doctors working in the hospital that the only way for organ transplantation is to wait for organ donation.  but the waiting time is not sure. So I want to know about organ donation. Is there anyone to donate organ? how about the situation? I mean if there is someone in our Henan Province to donate.
Red Cross Worker: No, there isn’t any.
Investigator: Is there any donation at present?
Red Cross Worker: There isn’t any at present.
Investigator: How about the current situation of donation?
Red Cross Worker:Nothing good about it.

Appendix 19：Jiaozuo City Red Cross: It’s difficult (to get donated organs)

Jiaozuo City Red Cross: It’s difficult (to get donated organs). Even if donor’s close relatives agree, it is still impossible if one of his distant relatives disagrees. Actually even if his close relatives agree, only one word of his distant relatives could change the whole thing.

Investigator: Hello! Is this the Donation Office of Red Cross?
Red Cross Worker: Yes.
Investigator: Hello, sir, hello. I have a relative in Xinyang. He is suffering advanced cirrhosis. Doctors said he needstransplantation.  I have also asked Zhengzhou People’s Hospital and the Affiliated Hospital of Zhengzhou University in Henan about the transplantation. They said the transplantation can be done, but we have to wait,  it is not clear about how long we need to wait. I want to know about the donation in your organization.  I just want to ask if there was anyone to donate organ during this time?
Red Cross Worker: people did, but just few.
Investigator: just few? then how many donors do you have?
Red Cross Worker: If you want to know the number, you may call the Provincial Red Cross and confirm with Organ Donation Administration Office. We couldn't provide the specific number to you.
Investigator: I have already done it.  I just called the director and they said there was no one to donate. I was so surprised about the answer. So I call you.
Red Cross Worker:it is true.  I guessthis was the last year's situation. Anyway, the number of people who have donated organs is very very small.  The Provincial Red Cross make the statistic of all numbers in the province including ours. 
Red Cross Worker::At present even if donor’s family agrees, however, if one of his relatives or friends says a word to oppose it, his organs might not be donated. Just think, would his family want to donate his organs if things are like that?
Investigator: You mean, it’s not easy for his family to agree
Red Cross Worker: Actually even if donor’s relatives agree, it is still not possible if one of his distant relatives disagrees. only one word of his distant relatives could change the whole thing.
Investigator: That is to say, even if his close relatives agree, but his distant relatives could stop it by only one word. One word means disagreeing.
Red Cross Worker: That’s right. It is possible. But I am not sure about the time. If you want to get more detailed information, call Henan Province Organ Transplant Office and ask them in details.
Investigator: I did. The director answered the phone and said there is no donors.
Red Cross Worker: If he said no, we could do nothing about this, you have to wait.About 40 people registered with us this year, but it’s only registration.
Investigator:Are they young people to make the registration?
Red Cross Worker: About this… .There are different ages.
Investigator: Would you please tell me if for financial reason people registering in Henan got pay? Donation is voluntary and unpaid.
Red Cross Worker: It's unpaid. I mean that he personally has agreed to donate, some people's families agreed too, but for some people, they even didn't talk about this with their families. So we have to explain to them: if he wants to complete the donation, he must communicate with his families to get their understanding and supports. Because he can make his own decision during his lifetime, but after his death, he couldn't handle himself, his family will make the decision and only we receive their call, we can complete the donation.
Investigator: This is the right way. You are very serious on this matter. The donor can do anything after death. You said even a distant relative could stop it, right?
Red Cross Worker: Yes, yes, yes, That’s right. There are so many cases like that at present, so many.
Investigator: It’s not easy for you to work on such a project. So you have tens ofpeople who have signed the donation agreement.
Red Cross Worker:Is thereanything else I can help you?
Investigator: That’s all. Thank you. May I have your last name, sir? How should I call you?
Red Cross Worker: I am just an office clerk.
Investigator:All right. Thank you. Bye.

Appendix 20: Yunshan Tan, Director of Liver Pathology Department of Zhongshan Hospital

Yunshan Tan, Director of Liver Pathology Department of Zhongshan Hospital, Fudan  University: we get the organs from the sources for transplantation regardless whether those organs come from Falun Gong practitioners or not.

On February 8, 2015 a WOIPFG investigator called Yunshan Tan, Director of Liver Pathology Department of Zhongshan Hospital, Fudan University over the phone. YunshanTan admitted that they get the organs from the SOURCE and they extracted those organs regardless whether such organs were from Falun Gong practitioners or not.The following is part of the conversation:

Investigator: Hello, is this Yunshan Tan?
Yunshan Tan: Yes.
Investigator: Would you please tell me if your hospital is still doing liver transplants.
Yunshan Tan: of course, we do.
Investigator: I heard that the organ supplies are controlled by the military. One hospital in Shanghai claimed that they could get organs directly from the sources, and all are the best and freshest organs, no middleman. Such organs must be healthier and have higher survival ratio. Do you also get organs directly from the source?
Yunshan Tan: All livers were acquired from the source. Since we extract the organs ourselves, we can make sure all original data and condition. If we entrust someone else to do it, we won’t be able to guarantee this, so we do ourselves to control this. Our hospital get most of livers like this and we exactly know whether this liver can be transplanted or not. (To be honest with you) comparing with other hospitals, what we do is more standardized.After we bring the organs back to our hospital, we will conduct pathological examinations before transplantation, we need to know whether the stem cells have denatured, whether there is adipose degeneration and necrosis and whether it is matched  (with the organ transplantation recipient).
Investigator: So when you get the organs from the source, you must know who is the organ donor, right?
Yunshan Tan: Of course, because we need to do some exams beforehand.
Investigator: I saw from your website that many of them are male, more than 30 year old. That means you should know their genders, and whether they are healthy or not.
Yunshan Tan: Of course we know.
Investigator: Falun Gong practitioners' organs, I heard, are the most healthiest. Can you get from them?
Yunshan Tan: We don’t care whether they are Falun Gong practitioners or not. We don’t get involved in politics. As doctors, we only care about the donors' liver, and make sure if they meet the transplantation requirements. As long as it meets the requirements, we don’t care who you are.
Investigator: You know that Shuzhong Bai, former Director of Health Department of PLA General Logistics Department has admitted that Jiang Zemin had ordered to harvest organs from living Falun Gong practitioners for transplantation. Are all the hospitals doing this under that policy?
Yunshan Tan: Yes, yes.

Appendix 21: Doctor of Zhongshan Hospital affiliated with Fudan University in Shanghai says: “What we have here is all this type.”

WOIPFG’s 2006 investigation shows that when being asked whether they use Falun Gong practitioners as donors, a surgeon from the Liver Transplantation Center at the Affiliated Zhongshan Hospital of Fudan University responded,“What we have here is all this type.”

 
Following are excerpts from the recorded conversation between the WOIPFG investigator and Zhongshan Hospital liver transplant center.
(B:Zhongshan Hospital liver transplant center)

WOIPFG: Hello. Is this the Zhongshan Hospital?
B:  Yes, transplant ward.
WOIPFG: Is this the Liver Transplant Center?
B:  Yes. How may I help you?
WOIPFG: I want to have a consultation of my illness
B:  Please wait. I will get you a doctor.
Doctor: Hello.
WOIPFG: Hi. Are you a doctor? Can you do transplant surgery?
Doctor: Yes, we can.
WOIPFG: How long do I have to wait?
Doctor: About a week after you come.
WOIPFG: Are there any organs from Falun Gong practitioners? I heard that this kind is generally very good…
Doctor: What we have here is all this type.
WOIPFG: Oh, the good ones all come from Falun Gong practitioners and they are fresh, usually within how many hours?
Doctor: It should be OK within 24 hours, but we generally control it within 10 hours.
WOIPFG: Could you tell me who should I contact with about it?
Doctor: You need to talk to the court system.
WOIPFG: Do you get them from other area? Or you have them locally?
Doctor: We have both.
WOIPFG: I see. So you have both out of town and local supplies.
Doctor: Yes.

Appendix 22: Kidney broker representative for People's Liberation Army (PLA) No. 307 Hospital in Beijing emphasizes officials

Summary:Kidney broker representative for People's Liberation Army (PLA) No. 307 Hospital in Beijing emphasizes officials, police and prison operation of the trade of organ from Falun Gong practitioner is like a supply line and they can also provide information that confirms that the supplied organs come from Falun Gong practitioners.

 
Following are excerpts from the phone conversation between WOIPFG investigator andChenQiang, a kidney broker representative for PLA 307 Hospital in Beijing city (A: Chen Qiang, B: Investigator)
B: Hi
A: Hallo, Are you Xiaochen?
B: Hi
A: Are you Chen Qiang?
B: Yes I am. Speak.
A: Hallo. Last time I talked to you about contacting the kidney supply sources. How is it going?
B: You meant that, contacting the prison, or “that something”?
A: Yes, the source of Falun Gong practitioners, I meant. …
B: I’ve heard it’s now very strict.
A: Where did you get it before?
B: It was from Xichen (A place in Beijing).
A: Xichen, you now--- By the way, how could you be so sure he (the source) was a Falun Gong practitioner? Did you find out for sure?
B: How to positively identify a Falun Gong practitioner, well, when the time comes --- when the time comes then our side, our Boss will have people showing you information, you know. He will show you the information and data.You can be sure. We have connections with government officials. There are connections to high ranking officials. You know, I will show you such material even if you don't ask me for it. You know.
A: OK. Ah… There is one more thing that I don't quite understand. That is to say, these people are detained in forced labor camps or prisons. Normally, I know that they are in the police station …
B: Right now, there are fewer in the forced labor camps.
A: Really, where are they usually detained now?
B: Now they are in prisons. Normally, they were sent away from Beijing and from there transferred to other places.
A: I heard from others that, several years ago, they arrested many Falun Gong practitioners who did not give their names after they were detained, quite a few; they detained them underground, the kind of place that was neither a prison nor a labor camp…
B:You are talking about what was going on around 2003. I know exactly what you are talking about. They did not reveal their name starting from 2003.
A:Oh, so there were more cases around 2003?
B:Of course. There were tons of Falun Gongs on file around 2003.
A:You see, the 50.000 as said before is no problem. I will give you 20.000 yuan more and hope you take it serious. Later you just tell me how much money you spent, you can just tell me an amount.
B:This thing, I also need to use contacts to find it for you. The money they ask, I think it will be around 200.000 yuan, you know.
A:Yes.
B: Falun Gong---- Last time I made some inquiries by calling around … Later I contacted [the labor camp or prison officials] by phone. I asked my boss to call [the official], and [that official] said they will obtain the organs from “the inside [the labor camps or prisons].”
A: Oh.
B:Now [the Falun Gong practitioners] were all transferred to remote prisons. They [the officials] need to get the organs from there; that takes money. Lots of money must be paid to people over there, you know.
A:Yes. You know that several years ago, they secretly detained many Falun Gong practitioners who went to appeal but did not provide their names. There were no records, no registrations.
B:It is quite normal, you know … If the Falun Gong practitioner did not give his name, he would be given a number, understand?
A:Yes.
B:If they could not find out the real names, they just left code numbers, you know.
A:Yes.
B:And also according to their fingerprints, you know, things are like this way now. (missing something)
A:Yes.
B:After such a thing is done, I tell you. It is not that I want to tell you something. Oh, some details such as the names of some people, I cannot tell you, you know.
A:Yes.
B:Like our boss, like the connections to the detention centers, I cannot tell you. What you said I cannot take casually. How can it be casual? We have the contacts. Since we are doing this business, we have people in every department. How can you get it done without connections?
A:Yes. I am just…
B:Such an operation is like a supply line, you know.
A:Right.

Appendix 23: Dr. Han from Guangzhou First Affiliated Hospital, Sun Yat-sen University

Dr. Han from Guangzhou First Affiliated Hospital, Sun Yat-sen University confirmed twice when talking about using Falun Gong practitioners' organs for transplantation: yes, that's right.

On November 25, 2015 a WOIPFG investigator called Dr. Han from Guangzhou First Affiliated Hospital, Sun Yat-sen University over the phone.  Dr. Han said: "we actually have done more than 1500 cases!"  When speaking of human organ banks of imprisoned Falun Gong practitioners and the organs used for transplantations being from Falun Gong practitioners, Han confirmed twice by saying "yes, that's right".

Investigator:Would you please tell me if you can do liver transplantation now?
Dr. Han: Where are you calling from?
Investigator: I’m from Beijing. There are not so many organ donors there, so I want to ask you about this. Since Jiefu Huang was the president of your hospital, you must have a lot of experiences on this.
Dr. Han: We indeed did a lot. It's for sure that we can do this.
Investigator: So you can still do this, right?you still have enough organ donors, right? well,  how long I have to waitapproximately?
Dr. Han: All the patients need to wait, for2 months on average.
……
Investigator: So Jiefu Huang is no longer working in your hospital, right?.
Dr. Han:He had left here for a long time. He left in 2003 to work in Ministry of Health.
Investigator: I know that he has done a lot transplantations. Only for liver transplantations, he had completed more than 500 cases.
Dr. Han:More than 500 cases? By now we have done more than 1500 cases. 
Investigator:Wonderful,  that's why we know you are the best in quantity and quality. Well, you may know Jiefu Huang’s speeches during the 2 national conferences, he said the organs came from so called executed prisoners. In fact he said that after Yongkang Zhou was arrested, the benefit chain was cut,  and Shuzhong Bai, the Director of Health Department of  PLA General Logistics Department had told the world that when Jiang Zemin was in power, it was him to order to harvesting organs from live Falun Gong practitioners for transplantation. There are 36 concentration camps in China to imprison Falun Gong practitioners. So their organs are used for transplantation. When many patients heard this, they all requested for such donor organs. Why? Because these donors are all healthy and they are practitioners.
Dr. Han:Yes, that’s right. It is true that things was like that before. Now it doesn’t work that way because of international society.  We have to stop right now and we can't do it that way. Starting from January 1 this year, we have announced that we are no longer allowed to use that kind of organs.
Investigator: So you are not allowed now. well, that means in the past, you do, as long as the organs are from Falun Gong practitioners, all imprisoned Falun gong practitioners' organs can be used for transplantations. But now you are no longer allowed, right?
Dr. Han: It’s not about Falun Gong. It has nothing to do with Falun Gong, do you understand what I mean?  Don’t get Falun Gong involved in this. It’s different now. It’s not allowed now, in international society.
Investigator: It's right. I saw that news too. I often read online news, pay attention to this kind of news,It is well known to the world that Chinese Communist Party is harvesting organs from living Falun Gong practitioners for transplantation.
Dr. Han: Let’s not discuss this, all right? No discussion on this.  If you want transplantation, you can come over and register here to take examinations, ok?
Investigator: So that means your hospital still can do this, and you still have donor organs.  Thus I can come over. well, may I contact you? contact with you?
Dr. Han:Yes, you can.Just call this number and you can find me.
Investigator: May I please have your name?
Dr. Han: Dr. Han, H-A-N.
Investigator: well, I just need to call this number to find you, is that right?
Dr. Han: yes, right..
Investigator: all right, that's all. thank you.
Dr. Han: If you come over,  please call me.
Investigator: ok, bye.

Appendix 24: Dr. Gong from the Second Ward of Department of Cardio-Thoracic Surgery of Tongji Hospital, Huazhong Medical University

Dr. Gong from the Second Ward of Department of Cardio-Thoracic Surgery of Tongji Hospital, Huazhong Medical University admitted that they use organs from Falun Gong practitioners for transplantations because of Jiang Zemin's order.

On October 12, 2015, a WOIPFG investigator called Dr. Gong from the Second Ward of Department of Cardio-Thoracic Surgery of Tongji Hospital of Huazhong Medical University over the phone.

Key points:
1. Dr. Gong admitted that they use organs from Falun Gong practitioners for transplantations.
2. They do this because of Jiang Zemin's order.

Part of Conversation as Following:

Investigator: Well, do you know how old the hearts used for transplantation usually are?
Dr. Gong:We only can talk about this after the donor's death.
Investigator:If so, the time will be long, can the organ still be used? You know, we all are doctors, we know the organ usually must be extracted within a few minutes, and the matching needs to be done in advance.  only a few minute, the organ must be taken out within 6 minutes. For example, in car accident after the victim's death, you will spend time to talk to the families, go through the procedures and make medical examinations.  the time is far to be over, how can the organ still be used? So besides this kind of victims, do you have any other channels? Is there any in forced labor camps or jails?  you still have some channel to find the organs, right?
Dr. Gong:Well, I guess there is no more in forced labor camps or jails，and.....we may have secret channels.
Investigator:But you did before, you used to get organs from forced labor camps and jails.
Dr. Gong:You're right, we did before. But now the government has rules, well, how do we deal with it? Do you understand what I mean?
Investigator:I know. because...because we are doctor
Dr. Gong:We are stipulated not to do this, due to humanism.
Investigator: I see. So you got organs from jails and labor camps before, right?to get the organs?
Dr. Gong:Yes, we did.
Investigator:Was it Dr. Wei's team who harvested organs at that time? or each transplantation doctor did this himself?
Dr. Gong:We have a special team for this, Director Wei of our department is one of them,  there is a special team led by Professor Zhu. You know, Professor Zhu was in charge all of this.
Investigator:In the past they went to labor camps and jails for organs, right?
Gong:Yes, it was them.
Investigator:It was that kind of organs that used in the past, all from imprisoned practitioners, right? Their organs are healthier. In the past many hospitals… from Falun Gong practitioners.
Dr. Gong:…… Well, not any more now.
Investigator:Well, you mean there is no more organs from Falun Gong practitioners, right?
Dr. Gong: Right, even from those whose family couldn't find them, we can't do it now
Investigator:There were Falun Gong practitioners who were imprisoned and couldn't be found by their family,  it seems that lots of hospitals have obtained organs from them. your hospital did that too before, right?
Dr. Gong: Yes, we did. But now it’s no longer allowed by the government.
Investigator: I see. What about going through some unauthorized channels to get such organs?
Dr. Gong:I don’t know about this.
Investigator: Professor Zhu and Doctor Wei have been working in your department for a long time, right?has it been more than 10 years?
Dr. Gong: Definitely so.
Investigator: Well, they have been doing this all the time.you know, lots of hospital were doing this before, in large quantities. you know at that time, it was allowed, because Jiang Zemin ordered to do so when he was the state president.
Dr. Gong: That kind of thing can only be done when you have government’s documents.
Investigator: Right, right. He gave order to use organs from the imprisoned practitioners, like  Falun Gong practitioners.So Jiang Zemin gave the order at that time, and then you dare to do this, is that right?
Dr. Gong: Absolutely.
……
Investigator: You are Tongji Hospital, Huazhong Medical University, right?
Dr. Gong: Yes, right.
Investigator:Which department of Cardio-thoracic surgery are you working at?
Dr. Gong:We are at Cardio-Thoracic Surgery, Second Ward.
……
Investigator: How many cases of heart transplantation do you carry out every month in average?
Dr. Gong:It depends. 5 transplantation surgeries sometime within a week. It’s not up to us.
Investigator: That means you still get enough donor organs.
Dr. Gong:Yes.
Investigator: How many can you do at most within one week ?
Dr. Gong:We even have 2 surgeries over a night.
Investigator: Wow, 2 operations over a night! that's lot of donor organs!
Dr. Gong: Right.

Appendix 25:the Department of Cardiac Transplantation, Central Hospital of Jiangmen, Guangdong Province Claimed,They Have Done (kill Falun Gong practitioners for their organs)So Many, Maybe You Haven’t Thoroughly Investigated, Too Many.

On 9:55 (86-503165709), December 21, 2015, when answering Falun Gong practitioners’ phone call, the doctor on duty (male, Lunming Li?) at the Department of Cardiac Transplantation, Central Hospital of Jiangmen, Guangdong Province claimed: “Yes (kill Falun Gong practitioners for their organs), so what? They are from Falun Gong (practitioners), so what!” “We have done so many, maybe you haven’t thoroughly investigated, too many.” In a separate conversation on phone, he said they had harvested organs from “innumerable” Falun Gong practitioners.

Part of Recording:

Falun Gong Practitioner (hereinafter referred to FLG): is this the Department of Cardiac Transplantation, Jiangmen Central Hospital?
Doctor: who are you? What is the matter?
FLG: Yes, I am looking for Dr. Li, Lunming Li. He is on the 1^st list of Individuals Suspected Harvesting Organs from Living Falun Gong Practitioners released by the WOIPFG, in which listed what year and month how many cases he operated. The WOIPFG is an international organization, dedicated to provide legal evidence to the international court. If you didn’t participate. Harvesting human organs is a felony, charged even more than what Hitler got.
Doctor: no problem, whatever charge is, don’t tell me these.
FLG: will be punished by law.
Doctor: that is no problem.
FLG: there are justice sanctions too.
Doctor: we have done (harvested organs) a lot, you probably haven’t thoroughly investigated the amount, way too many.
FLG: what have you done to your future?
Doctor: what is the purpose you call?
FLG: to tell you not get involved in this (harvesting organs).
Doctor: what happens if I’ve already involved?
FLG: It is not too late now, quickly rein in, hope you do not participate, this is a felony.  God knows what you did. It is detrimental to your family.
Doctor: harvest human organs. You think you are Falun Gong?
FLG: you are harvesting organs from Falun Gong practitioners, harvesting human organs has been exposed in the international community long ago.
Doctor: does that have anything to do with me?
FLG: it is closely related with you.
Doctor: done too many.
FLG: have you done it today?
Doctor: do it every day.
FLG: Are they Falun Gong practitioners?
Doctor: s* Falun Gong. Do you know what is Falun Gong, do you know or not? Do you dare to come here, tell me face to face, do you dare? I ask you dare or not? If you don’t dare, you stop talking s* with me.
FLG: I know you have made a lot of dirty money, but you have to pay a price for this money. If you have a conscience, you still have time to rein in. Don’t wait until too late to regret. Falun Gong spreads in 114 countries and regions, people practice it regardless of age, race and color, it is a Buddha Fa practice, its door is widely open, Tiananmen self-immolation is a hoax, you can never be deceived by the lies ......
Doctor: I just ask you whether you dare to come here or not?
FLG: You are persecuting good people, how much this sin is. It is still considered a crime when you commit it in ignorance, isn’t it?
Doctor: don’t talk to me so much, do you dare to come?
FLG: I am in Singapore.
Doctor: I reimburse for your trip, (swear), do not talk if don’t have the guts, what is fuck use talking so much.
FLG: talking on phone is same as face to face.
Doctor: what is your purpose? What is the meaning you call me? Want money, right?
FLG: when did I ask for your money?
Doctor: I am your Lord ancestors.
FLG: Do not do wicked things, the ancients said the gentleman loves money, but gains it in a proper way.
Doctor: don’t fuck tell me principles, I don’t understand. Just ask you questions, what is the purpose of your phone call? do you dare to come here?
FLG: the purpose to call you is to tell you, don’t participate (in organ harvesting) from now on if you’ve already involved.
Doctor: how about already participate? I tell you I participate, so what?
FLG: Involving (in this) will bring you and your family very bad consequences, this is what I mean. You will quickly rein in if you understand.
Doctor: Do you think I will follow what you say? Don’t you want to do good and accumulate virtues? You come here and promote it.
FLG: doing good and accumulating virtues is to tell you the truth, after you understand the truth, you will make a wise choice for a better future.
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Appendix 26:the Department of Cardiac Transplantation, Central Hospital of Jiangmen, Guangdong Province Claimed,He Has Dug Out Countless Organs from Living Falun Gong Practitioners

On 22-54-46 (86-7503165709, phone call lasted 19:08 seconds), December 21, 2015, when Falun Gong practitioners asked the doctor on duty at the Department of Cardiac Transplantation, Central Hospital of Jiangmen, Guangdong Province: “how many organs have you dug out from living Falun Gong practitioners?” He replied: “countless.” When asked again: “Do you dare to confirm it is ‘countless’?” He repeated again: “countless.” This doctor directly threatened the Falun Gong practitioner who called him: “you dare to come here, I will kill you, I kill you, I will see you go to heaven or hell”.

Part of recording:

 (The man’s name who answered phone is uncertain, when asked whether he is Lunming Li , he didn’t deny it. Considering about calling time, he may be the doctor on duty, Lunming Li, Director of the department, might be off work at that time. Therefore, whether the man answered the phone is Lunming Li or the doctor on duty is uncertain, hereinafter referred to doctor)

Doctor: hello.
FLG: Hello. Is this Dr. LunMing Li at the Department of Cardiac Transplantation, Jiangmen Central Hospital?
Doctor: who are you?
FLG: I call from abroad.
Doctor: what is the matter?
FLG: I want to tell you, Xinmin Zhou from your hospital participates in harvesting organs from living Falun Gong practitioners, his name is on the WOIPFG list, do you know that?
Doctor: just now swear away one, here comes another!
FLG: How many Falun Gong practitioners have you killed! How can you not think about your crime, which is not tolerated by heavenly principles?
Doctor: let me ask you…
FLG: A case involving human life is to be treated with the utmost care! There are gods above everyone's head, do you know ......
Doctor: you dare to come here, I will kill you, I will kill you, I will see whether you go to heaven or hell.
FLG: do you dare to tell me, how many cases of Falun Gong practitioners’ organ surgeries you have done? How many organs have you harvested from Falun Gong practitioners? 
Doctor: countless.
FLG: do you dare to confirm it is countless?
Doctor: countless, to be honest, countless!
FLG: I am recording,
Doctor: countless, do you know how to write these four characters?
FLG: We will put this recording on internet, let the whole world listen to what you said, these vicious words.
Doctor: no problem, you do that, tell me the website, it is even better.